This makes me think of people that add a “copyright” notice at the end of every comment
Ugh the ones with the “anti-AI” “licensing”? I honestly don’t know how they expect that to accomplish anything, other than look like a pretentious idiot.
It’s either fair use to train, and the license does nothing, or it is not fair use to train, and the license is extraneous. I explained that to one of them and he said the license isn’t actually supposed to do the “anti-AI” he claims it does. Thus winning the discussion, I guess.
Any better idea how to prevent scraping or, at least, be able to fight it after the fact?
For the US: you already have a copyright on everything you write. Adding CC-BY-NC grants others the right to republish it for non-commercial use, it does not remove any rights at all.
Yes, that is how that works, correct. CC-BY-NC specifically prevents commercial use and as far as I see that, that’s the point of those people that add that footer to their posts.
No, that’s not how it works. Commercial use is already prohibited by default. They are adding no new prohibitions. They are allowing use that is not allowed by default.
Not everywhere is the US. It’s not that simple here.
Yes, that’s why I wrote specifically for the US. Where many prominent AI companies are.
Don’t post on a third party site.
That’s like saying “If you don’t want corporations to steal your sourcecode, just don’t publish it.” That’s just not the right conclusion to come to.
I think it should be absolutely possible to communicate with other people in the open while still maintaining some kind of control over your creation.
I agree it’s not great for public discourse, but you are subject to the whims of the third party’s TOS. You can still publish it, but have to make your own site or pick a third party that won’t sell you out.
Or you just accept that the third party is going to do what it’s going to do. Post your discourse, but don’t expect it to be protected.
That’s not how copyright works. In my example: Publishing code on GitHub still means that code remains under whatever license I put on it, no matter how GitHub feels about that. They can not go ahead and sell my little helper library to Sony for use in their PlayStation OS update to make a buck. If I put it under GPL e.g., Sony would still have to stick to that.
Same goes for posting on a public Lemmy instance. I publish content, I can limit it’s usage. The only thing the instance could do about that is remove my content if their usage of it is in conflict with whatever limitations I put on it.
Should, in some form of future, courts rule that those LLM generating companies can’t just use everything they get their hands on as they please, the poison pill is in their models. That’s why that thing matters now. Could it be done more elegantly than a persistent footer? Certainly. Right now though? I don’t see it.
I agree, that’s how it should work. GitHub as a third party probably had better TOS than most, and would face more uproar if they changed it. But they are not a social media site.
But for regular social media posting, Facebook, Twitter, etc, there is no fighting against their TOS other than abstinence. You can object in writing with one of those footers, but nobody in charge is going to read it or honor it. It will be shoveled into the AI along with everything else. Your only recourse will be an expensive legal fight, and it would be difficult to prove any particular post was in the AI or not. It’s unproven legal ground to say giving a post to an AI for training even qualifies as a “copy” under copyright, or what notification qualifies to exempt your content.
A footnote isn’t going to stop anyone from scraping comments. That’s just reality.
Art is mine do not steal!
Ah yes, let’s reference all of the laws, for which you don’t ascribe, to justify you not ascribing to those laws.
That “may” is doing some real heavy lifting…
She of course teaches a “donation based” class on Telegram about how you too can be tased and dragged out of your car.
Great! I was feeling too sane and reasonable anyway.
Im really glad I wasn’t in the middle of taking a sip of something when I read this!
I don’t see a “may,” what am I missing?
Sixth word in the post.
I Declare and Decree that I Am …
Am I looking at a different image than you are?
I put up the wrong photo at first.
You must be, because the image OP posted to make this thread is not that one.
I don’t know. This is the image:
Yeah, if I do “open original URL” and go over and look at the post at lemmy.world, I see the image you are seeing.
I’ve noticed other federation missteps with votes, just trying to pay attention to these little weirdnesses that are emergent properties of a decentralized social media environment.
I changed the image, I posted the wrong one at first.
My favorite is the “without prejudice” part. That’s the part of the spell that let’s you banish a demon but don’t prevent it from showing back up later.
that lets* you banish
Oh hey, it’s no tits!
She left off her Facebook disclaimer.
I’m really curious about the “without prejudice” part. I’ve never heard that part of their “lore” before.
Does it basically end up meaning “give me the rights of this paper/document, but I reserve the right to not meet my end of the bargain”? Because knowing them, this is exactly what it boils down to.
How much blind faith does it take for these morons to have their whole hope seated in claiming that judges dismissing them bring called a “victory”? To my knowledge none of them has ever succeeded in any way in a court setting, so they have no real examples to point to besides a judge just not seeming it worth the struggle of dealing with them.
Although at this point we should be seeking to take every one of these cases there are and summarily deciding to rule for their worst case scenario. Movement will likely die off when they spend the rest of their lives such in jail or under an impossible set of fees that they’ll never even make progress on, much less finish off.
Clearly I jest, but if we could stop ducking these cases and start prosecuting them more harshly, this would naturally go away.
What’s really interesting to me is how much time they invest in this stuff. It’s not exactly interesting. And there’s no tangible result for them, other than ending up in court. They do end up having to pay tax or whatever it is they’re trying to dodge.
What do they get out of it?
These sovcits obsessed with sticking to the DMV just seem like flat earthers - there’s no actual point to the obsession.
Imagine how much fun they would be having with a wizard character in D&D instead of trying to cast spells through the court system.
I really want to know how they think a regular license plate means the vehicle is for hire.
Meanwhile, here in Australia
Not stolen ok?
This one shocked me. There’s actual punctuation this time. Crazy.
Sovcits make me irrationally angry.
I don’t understand them, they want to live here and gain all the advantages of living here whilst doing literally everything they can to not contribute to society.
These motherfuckers should be branded and any money they try to use should be immediately confiscated. I have no problem with someone being outside of civilization, but they should be completely on their own with only other sovcits to take care of them.
That’d solve this shit real quick.
If you say the magic words, laws don’t apply.
EDIT: I looked up two of these. Theft prevention act? It’s like they’re randomly cutting and pasting parts of laws and in their heads somehow it makes sense.
I can also randomly pick words from legal documents to say anything I want. But then, every word in this post came from a legal document including the following:
I now own your house and by having read this post you consent to a transfer of all your assets to me. No signature or confirmation required. No take backs.
Yeah well your spouse is now my spouse, oogity boogity I said the magic words. Also gimme all your shoes.
Granted. You are now on the hook for her child support payments for my raising her kids.
The one thing a sovcit can never do.
You didn’t capitalize anything so I’m RUBBER and you’re GLUE. It is now your RESPONSIBILITY as I have claimed my RIGHTS.
