Can someone explain why they’re not able to protect against this? Couldn’t they put request limits or monitor for spikes and banning these attempts?
If it’s an entity, my money would be on China just discovering it exists since it diametrically opposes its propaganda machine. But it could very well just be dark web shitheads whose seasonal drug binge just spiked up again, plenty of them to go around to make accusations and propaganda they know are false whom can’t simply backtrack it because of archive.org and it doesn’t require much to disrupt a still too largely implicit trust driven Internet.
Wasn’t there some controversy involving Internet Archive just recently?
Whoever’s behind this is trying to get rid of the fact that Internet Archive creates memory of the internet’s contents. Somebody wants to be able to control what people see on the internet.
Heck it could be Google doing it, since that would be in line with their recent push to change the way search works. Both of those act as components of a larger drive to control what people see and hear.
FBI? CIA? Or just some shit company pissed? Taking all bets.
Well Google search method was just leaked… Wonder if this picked that up before they pulled it.
Can you tell me more about this? Or just a link would be amazing.
I’m worried about what this could mean about further SEO enshittification.
Thank you!
Thanks for the assist!
Can someone eli5 to me why it’s hard to track down these dipshits ? Even if it’s a distributed attack, picking a single IP and doing a lookup for the domain name and checking with the registrar might actually reveal their identity right ? Of course I’m guessing law enforcement needs to be involved to force registrars to give up that info if it’s not publicly available? Are there laws that say a ddos is illegal ?
There is no domain name associated with the IPs.
Most importantly, usually, DDoS attack use infected devices (PCs, mobile phones, smart fridges, shady browser addons etc…) to get so many ip addresses and devices/locations and attack from everywhere at once.
most ddos use privat pcs controlled through a botnet
DDoS attacks are performed by botnets. What is a botnet? Well, you know about viruses etc, right? Your PC gets infected and it becomes a part of the botnet. Now police do the investigation, they look up IPs and they see YOUR IP and come to YOUR house. See what the problem is?
And, frankly, your PC doesn’t even have to be infected to become a part of an attack. There are plenty of hacked web sites, which still look like nothing has changed, but they will contain a hidden JavaScript code which will force your browser to flood the victim. Again, the police will only find YOU.
i honestly really hope this shit gets taken care of so internet archive can still keep going
Terrible.
That last sentence though…
- **“The cyberattacks share the timeline with the legal battle Internet Archive is facing from US book publishers, claiming copyright infringement and seeking combined damages of hundreds of millions of dollars from all libraries.” ** *
Describing a high intensity DDOS attack on one of the world’s most important resources as simply “mean” is unironically one of the funniest things I’ve read this year.
Hope they get some support soon.
The Internet Archive needs to be distributed somehow. We can’t have a single point of failure like this or we’ve learned nothing since Alexandria.
I’ve got several terabytes just laying around that I’d happily devote to ancient copies of web pages.
dweb.archive.org loads for me
We might need something like a portal site for IPFS.
This is why we need more websites to adopt secure client side scripting.
JavaScript may or may not be it, but the web needs to be reachable/archivable. It should also have attribution, but that’s a tangent.
As of January 2024, archive.org claims to have over 99 Petabytes of data stored.
They could do this with the bank of america instead
It might be Trump’s squad trying to make it so that his trial outcome can’t get into the archive
Court documents are already open record and stored indefinitely. Internet archive wouldn’t be needed for that.
Go offline a couple of days until they are losing interest in DDOS’ing? Would that work?
That just means the DDOSer is taking Internet Archive down without any further work required.
True. That’s not something you want. Could use that downtime for extensive maintenance to roll out a more robust system (they are probably even working on that already in the background). For the end user it doesn’t really make a difference if down because of DDOS or because of maintenance I thought.
Is it possible that someone is conducting some operation and doesn’t want it to be randomly documented?
Some state maybe? Eh I just have a hard time thinking of motives for this attack
If this party is benefiting from a temporary outage of the IA, then that means their exposure window is temporary. That makes me think they’re doing something where the evidence will appear on some website temporarily, but not permanently. Don’t know what that might be, but that would be the profile of a thing which would benefit from DDoSing the IA.
The alternative is they’re trying to kill IA permanently. Enough time of its having zero utility to the world will eventually kill it. Could take years though.
Could be a rogue AI. It is a strange thing to see.
But generally speaking, I don’t feel confused when I see beautiful things attacked. I’ve seen a lot of things get attacked because they’re beautiful and useful, and it doesn’t surprise me any more.
There is no way a DDoS on the website in affecting the crawler. Also, running a DDoS attack of this size costs a lot of money (if you rent the network, if you own it it costs money as lost sales). No one is giving AI control over a DDoS network to just fuck around.
The way it breaks utility is in the inability to read from the service. If that goes away for long enough, the Archive will die.
Sure but usually those who attack pretty things for no reason are morons barely able to articulate themselves let alone coordinate a massive DDoS.
Wrong. Intelligent, competent people attack beautiful things.
There is highly organized evil in the world. People who aren’t just trying to win. They’re trying to make people lose.
Capitalists don’t like libraries because it means open access to resources which reduces the market size.
