Ephebophilia is when an older adult is sexually attracted to post-pubescent teenagers or adolescents but still biologically adults—usually those in the age range 15–19. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
I believe that ephebophilia is not morally wrong as long as it’s between two consenting adults. For example if a 18 year woman wants to have sex with me a 26 year old man then I do not think it’s morally wrong because me and her are both consenting adults so what we are doing is completely harmless.
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its about mental maturity. to ignore that is to highlight your own inability to act as a mature adult.
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No, you’re talking About ephobephilia, which is fucking kids. It’s even in the title of your post and in the comment of your post if you weren’t talking about fucking kids, you wouldn’t have mentioned it.
Well, this just screams: “I want to fuck kids! WHY WONT YOU LET ME FUCK KIDS!”
You may wanna twist a word in order to rationalize it, but it’s still fucking disgusting and wrong, because you’re ignoring the sexual power dynamics between the two people and how the younger person can easily been manipulated by the older person, because younger person simply is too young to understand them and will easily fall victim to the older person.
gross
But 18 and 19 year olds are not kids you idiot they’re both legally considered an adult in most parts of the world. Obviously I would never have sex with 16 and 17 year old woman because they’re both considered minors which makes it morally wrong for me to have sex with them because I’m an adult.
Well, an assumed connection between legality and morality is perhaps part of the disconnect.
Having sex with 16 and 17 year olds is not morally wrong *simply because they are legally considered minors and you an adult.
Having sex with 16 and 17 year olds is considered morally wrong, by some, because the state of their mental maturity is often far below that of an adult even 5 years older. Consider the biological “growth” of the human brain; having not fully developed, their behavioral maturity follows suit. This means their ability to reason, their ability to act in their own best interest, is less than your own. At a certain level of disparity, this imbalance is usually considered “taking advantage” of someone. Asking them to do things they have less an ability to understand than yourself starts to look a lot like coercion.
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But 18 and 19 year olds are not kids you idiot they are both legally considered an adult in most parts of the world
But you’re still ignoring the huge difference in power dynamic. Unless you want that, in which case I can’t see how you could call that moral.
Obviously I would never have sex with 16 and 17 year old woman because they both considered minors which makes it morally wrong for me to have sex with them because I’m an adult.
Since you still struggle with the morality of the sexual power dynamics of having sexual relationships with those too young to understand the concept, it’s clear that it’s not any sense of morality stopping you— it’s the legality.
I have no doubt you’d fuck kids if you didn’t fear the legal consequences.
So the question remains: why do you wanna fuck kids so bad, and why do you think fucking kids is moral?
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“woman” … “minor” …pick 1 pedo
After everything you’ve said, I don’t believe that you wouldn’t fuck a kid, and that it’s only fear of legal consequences that stops you. For now.
Kiddie fucker.
I kinda don’t want to respond since maybe I say something that is misconstrued, so let me preface by saying this: Please don’t fuck or engage sexually in any way with teens.
I get the attraction since that’s the period human hormones go crazy, but that should fade over time in my opinion. As you get older that age group will appear more and more like what they are, kids. 18 is barely out of high school in most cases. You should also avoid being around them since proximity has an effect on attraction.
Development is complex so I understand there are maturity arguments that can be made on a case by case basis, at least in theory, but in practice, it’s just not worth it. More than likely you will hurt someone that thought they were mature but didn’t fully understand something. At worst you will ruin their life and your own.
OP has no interest in getting genuine answers to their question, they simply want people to agree with them.
Their response will be something along the lines of “Well I don’t object to it” or “It’s legal so it’s not wrong”.
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I think that arguments of the form “X is/isn’t moral” tend to be difficult to make. And with sexual social norms, particularly so.
In general, I think that most social norms related to sex are more-or-less arbitrary.
I have a really hard time imagining a society where across-the-board murder is simply acceptable functioning. It just creates too many issues for society to function. Maybe you could have dueling or something like that, the pater familias causing certain forms of infanticide in the Roman tradition, maybe some kinds of euthanasia, but some kind of restrictions are just required to have a society. You can’t find historical civilizations where it was just okay to outright do anyone else in.
But when it comes to sex, societies have had different views on polygamy, polygany, incest (of different forms), sex below certain different ages, homosexuality, bestiality, prostitution, pretty much you name it. Maybe there were some issues that they created, but some society made it work all right.
But thing is, society teaches people a set of social norms, and I think that with sex, those tend to be axiomic. Like, someone who objects to bestiality probably isn’t going to say that they find bestiality to be wrong because it violates some other moral precept. It’s pretty unlikely that someone says “sex with sheep is problematic because it might lead to spread of prions-based disease”. They’re simply going to treat it wrong in-and-of-itself. It’s wrong because they’re taught directly that it is a social norm that it’s wrong.
If you think that something is wrong or undesirable because of some other consequence that it has, then maybe someone can try and make a case as to how it interacts with that consequence. But…you can’t really reason someone into a different set of values if the particular sex act is the root value there. If, in someone’s eyes, homosexuality is immoral because homosexuality is immoral, saying “homosexuality is moral” doesn’t do a whole lot by way of convincing them.
Maybe you can show inconsistency between two values that someone holds, and they’re put in a situation where they have to pick one or the other.
(Age / 2) + 7 is your answer.
A 26 year old shouldn’t be with someone younger than 20.
This is a guideline, but it’s generally correct. Especially until around 25 for the youngest partner, the problem comes down to maturity and the potential power dynamics at play due to that lack of mental maturity.
This does mean that an 18 year old can be with a 16 year old, and it’s perfectly fine as they may have roughly the same mental maturity.
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I think you’re stuck on the legal definition of an adult.
Some countries have people become adults at 16, some at 18 and some at 21. 18 is meaningless beyond the laws in place and the legal punishments given to those who break the laws.
Many other reprehensible acts are legal, such as firing people for their ethnicity or gender identity in the US, or running a payday loan scheme.
You need to look at it from the perspective of brain development and power dynamics rather than from a legal or subjective point of view.
Having sexual intercourse with someone below your level of mental maturity is considered morally reprehensible due to the mental harm it may cause to the younger person, and them being unable to consent properly due to the power dynamics of the older partner having more money, more maturity, more status, etc. The younger individual may become dependent on the more mature individual, further driving the negative power dynamic.
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Because I don’t care about power dynamics or maturity levels.
You do understand that what you’re saying here is that you choose to completely disregard whether something has been proven to harm others so long as it’s legal or you subjectively do not object to it?
You’ll make a great abuser, please never go into a relationship.
I believe it’s morally wrong for adults to have sex with minors.
no you don’t
Ephebophiles are not immoral
yet…
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I said ephebophilia between two consenting adults
but your post title is
Ephebophiles are not immoral
ephebophelia cannot exist between adults because
I believe any adult that has sex with minors is immoral.
Then why do you keep trying to convince everyone here of the opposite?
Culture and law aside, I think the real fear is that there’s a power imbalance that makes it questionably consensual, if you actually have such a relationship.
