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    14 days ago

    And on Tuesday, 37 Members of Parliament signed an open letter to the Council of Europe urging legislators to reject Chat Control.

    “We explicitly warn that the obligation to systematically scan encrypted communication, whether called ‘upload-moderation’ or ‘client-side scanning,’ would not only break secure end-to-end encryption, but will to a high probability also not withstand the case law of the European Court of Justice,” the MEPs said. “Rather, such an attack would be in complete contrast to the European commitment to secure communication and digital privacy, as well as human rights in the digital space.”

    I hope to fuck this shit won’t get passed

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    14 days ago

    If it’s client side then pedos will just strip it out and keep on going. It’s a giant waste of time.

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      14 days ago

      Or, you know, trivially circumvent it? Compress media, break up URLs? I don’t understand how this could possibly be effective.

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        Any circumvention argument misses the point.

        90% of people won’t. The remaining 10% will be flagged and can be scrutinized more manually (without any violence which will get into news). It’s the way any surveillance works. Which is why non-backdoored e2e encryption for everyone in everything everywhere and death of centralized services are important to fight surveillance.

        It’s like flowers covering body parts on photos, we kinda guess what’s there. If the whole photo is covered with flowers, that’s another story.

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      It’s really all about having a way to get past encryption so they can spy on everyone indiscriminately. It’s pushed that it’s to save kids and unmask pedos, but the people in charge know the pedophiles are their rich donors.

      It’s about controlling opposition and making sure the wealthy can stay on top. Imagine if no small business can hide their information from their competitors.

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    Definitely not my representatives in the EU…and all in front our wonderful Ursula von der Leyen, a personified political failure. And why this constant fake argument of child abuse?.. the real argument is that politicians and governments want to spy on EU inhabitants…time to vote differently…if this still helps anything in the EU …

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    13 days ago

    It’s highly likely that these laws will be passed because more people are voting for right wing leaders in EU, Right wing heavily supports this. If EU sets the example soon the whole world will follow.

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      they call themselves “right wing”, but they arent. See here in orbanistan (hungary) orban and all his comrades were commie state party functionals, or were at least the part in the commie youth organization. Also they vote down 23 times (as of now) the disclosure of the commie state party agent files, serving commie dictatorships like PRC, and the soviet union mourner putin, etc. Just like AFD in germany, etc…

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          What? You think criminals don’t have guns in yours?

          By the way, a country can’t believe anything, it’s an artificial concept on a map.

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            13 days ago

            That’s what I think. That’s what I observed (anecdotally) and what statistics show. When the sentence for having a gun is higher than robbery or drug dealing or whatever, even criminals avoid that shit.

            Why would you think criminals DO have guns in other countries?

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              You can be anti-guns but he is still right. Criminals do have weapons where I live, even though it’s illegal. Fortunately, we don’t have many criminals since the country is rich

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              That’s a weird answer, I didn’t say that obtuseness\pedantry can believe in something.

              You made nobody fail, accusing someone of these traits just means their correctness is socially unpleasant for you.

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            Unironically yes. Out of 1000 crime news I hear about here, maybe one of them is about gun violence. Also I have never ever heard about mass killings here like USA seems to have every week.

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                Lol is it really that hard for you to believe? I am not just talking about media channels, also just word around the block, multiple YouTube channels and such.

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                  Not that hard. I’d say organized crime will have guns regardless. Usual hooligans will do with many things one can imagine.

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          13 days ago

          I already have a chainsaw for that kind of thing, that does this have to do with guns and encryption?

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            Yeah, that’s the point. What do guns have to do with encryption? I could say “If you outlaw beards, only outlaws will have beards” and it will make as much sense as your original post. I appreciate that you have a weird fetish for violence but you don’t have to shoe-horn it into every conversation.

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              Privacy and guns can be used for defense. Beards generally don’t affect that (though Alexander was of a different opinion and made his soldiers shave so that they couldn’t be grabbed by the beard ; I think same was the reasoning for Roman soldiers shaving their beards and other hair).

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                You can’t murder a room full of children with pgp.

                I’ll just say it again in the hope that it might dawn on you that the two things are not even remotely similar enough that you can say “this also works for guns”.

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                  13 days ago

                  I’ve already described specifically how they are similar, it might dawn on you that repetition doesn’t strengthen an argument. Not hopeful though.

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        12 days ago

        Uhh have you heard? Constitutional rights are ala cart now! Just pick and choose what you want! No big deal.

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      13 days ago

      If u make privacy illegal then only cops, spooks, governments, billionaires and other criminals will have privacy. FTFY.