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- cross-posted to:
- programmerhumor@lemmy.world
- programmerhumor@lemmy.ml
Meme transcription:
Panel 1: Bilbo Baggins ponders, “After all… why should I care about the difference between int and String?
Panel 2: Bilbo Baggins is revealed to be an API developer. He continues, “JSON is always String, anyways…”
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These JSON memes got me feeing like some junior dev out there is upset because they haven’t read and understood the docs.
"true"Timing is about right for it to be a batch of newly minted CS grads getting into their first corporate jobs.
Comments? Comments? Who needs comments?
“1” + “1”
“11”
strings are in base two, got it
I’ll have you know all of my code is stringly typed.
All my binary code is stringy too.
A string that represents types…
Explicit types are just laziness, you should be catching exceptions anyways.
I do. I return an error.
json doesn’t have ints, it has Numbers, which are ieee754 floats. if you want to precisely store the full range of a 64 bit int (anything larger than 2^53 -1) then string is indeed the correct type
Let me show you what Ethan has to say about this: https://feddit.org/post/319546/174361
json doesn’t have ints, it has Numbers, which are ieee754 floats.
No. numbers in JSON have arbitrary precision. The standard only specifies that implementations may impose restrictions on the allowed values.
This specification allows implementations to set limits on the range and precision of numbers accepted. Since software that implements IEEE 754 binary64 (double precision) numbers [IEEE754] is generally available and widely used, good interoperability can be achieved by implementations that expect no more precision or range than these provide, in the sense that implementations will approximate JSON numbers within the expected precision. A JSON number such as 1E400 or 3.141592653589793238462643383279 may indicate potential interoperability problems, since it suggests that the software that created it expects receiving software to have greater capabilities for numeric magnitude and precision than is widely available.
It’s the API’s job to validate it either way. As it does that job, it may as well parse the string as an integer.
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Or even funnier: It gets parsed in octal, which does yield a valid zip code. Good luck finding that.
Oof.
I guess this is one of the reasons that some linters now scream if you don’t provide base when parsing numbers. But then again good luck finding it if it happens internally. Still, I feel like a ZIP should be treated as a string even if it looks like a number.
Yep. Much like we don’t treat phone numbers like a number. The rule of thumb is that if you don’t do any arithmetic with it, it is not a “number” but numeric.
Well, we don’t, but every electonic tables software out in the wild on the other hand…
/j
Yes, I know that you can force it to become text by prepending
'to the phone, choose an appropriate format for the cells, etc, etcThe point is that this often requires meddling after the phone gets displayed as something like
3e10
Who tf decided that a 0 prefix means base 8 in the first place? If a time machine was invented somehow I’m going to cap that man, after the guy that created JavaScript.
Should be like
0o777to mimic hex0xFF
Well shit, my zip code starts with a 9.
I’m not sure if you’re getting it, so I’ll explain just in case.
In computer science a few conventions have emerged on how numbers should be interpreted, depending on how they start:
- decimal (the usual system with digits from 0 to 9): no prefix
- binary (digits 0 and 1): prefix
0b, so0b1001110 - octal (digits 0 through 7): prefix
0, so0116 - hexadecimal (digits 0 through 9 and then A through E): prefix
0x, so0x8E
If your zip code starts with 9, it won’t be interpreted as octal. You’re fine.
Well, you’re right. I wasn’t getting it, but I’ve also never seen any piece of software that would treat a single leading zero as octal. That’s just a recipe for disaster, and it should use
0o116to be unambiguous(I am a software engineer, but was assuming you meant it was hardcoded to parse as octal, not some weird auto-detect)
I’ve also never seen any piece of software that would treat a single leading zero as octal
I thought JavaScript did that, but it turns out it doesn’t. I thought Java did that, but it turns out it doesn’t. Python did it until version 2.7: https://docs.python.org/2.7/library/functions.html#int. C still does it: https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/string/byte/strtol
Interesting that
strtolin C does that. I’ve always explicitly passed in base 10 or 16, but I didn’t know it would auto-detect if you passed 0. TIL.
It’s been a long time, but I’m pretty sure C treats a leading zero as octal in source code. PHP and Node definitely do. Yes, it’s a bad convention. It’s much worse if that’s being done by a runtime function that parses user input, though. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that somewhere in the past, but no idea where. Doesn’t seem likely to be common.
PHP and Node definitely do.
Node doesn’t.
> parseInt('077') 77- If the input string, with leading whitespace and possible +/- signs removed, begins with 0x or 0X (a zero, followed by lowercase or uppercase X), radix is assumed to be 16 and the rest of the string is parsed as a hexadecimal number.
- If the input string begins with any other value, the radix is 10 (decimal).
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/parseInt
I refuse to validate data that comes from the backend I specifically develop against.
This is String - you’ve seen it before haven’t you, Gollum?
Protocol Buffers are hated, but they are needed.
Do you actually use them?
I’m a student so, yes and no?
I do, but I also don’t think that’s a silver bullet, unfortunately. There’s convenience in code generation and compatibility, at least
The comment section proves that xml is far superior to json
XML is all round better than Json.
