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Faroese have hunted whales since time basically immemorial as people with more land have hunted deer. They are also allowed to, under international law, to hunt whales just as say Inuit are. Their hunting is sustainable, always has been.
The anti-whaling convention was instituted to stop commercial exploitation of the seas, to stop the great whaling ships, it was not instituted to stop people feeding themselves.
Why do you care more about one person than your culture of murdering whales? Why do you speak up about him but not your tradition that you apparently don’t participate in??
Well. I don’t see anything inherently wrong in killing whales for food if it is done sustainability and humane. I much prefer it to wasteful battery farming.
Maybe they also don’t eat pigs? I eat meat (FUCK chickens), but I haven’t eaten pork for years after getting to know my neighbors pet pigs. Sure, they’re more socialized and a whole different breed from factory farm pigs, but still they’re too smart for me to be comfortable eating them. But my point here is that you’re accusing them of hypocrisy or inconsistency, without ever establishing that they actually are being hypocritical or inconsistent.
I take your point, and i also don’t eat pork. Not because I know a pig, but because of the terrible conditions most pigs are farmed under, and because all pork is imported here.
For me, loving an animal before you kill it is a part of lift. When I was a child, we often took rejected lambs into the house to bottle feed them. They become pets and then they became supper.
And I’d much rather that then only know meat as something you collect at the super market. Even though it would be more comfortable, the disconnect between meat and living creatures that modern people have often sickens me. So I’d much rather eat your neighbours pig than a factory framed one.
My point thought, is that no one gets outraged, justifys harassing people and wished death upon their entire family and country for eating pigs. So in reality, it’s not about intelligence and social behaviour. It’s about your culture being right and everyone else being wrong.
is that no one gets outraged, justifys harassing people and wished death upon their entire family and country for eating pigs.
You uh… wanna bet about that one?
Values a culture finds truly abhorrent are combated. You’re using the same arguments people use to defend confederate monuments, or anti-LGBT laws. It’s tragic that your traditions cause harm, but just because they’re traditional and your culture doesn’t mean they’re not disgustingly cruel.
Yeah, we need to either stop or wildly reform factory farming. No argument there. But just because you think it’s cultural imperialism doesn’t make it reasonable to torture other creatures to death.
The big difference here is that, while I will absolutely admit to and work damn hard to change my own culture, you can’t even admit the cruelty inherent to your own traditions. My tribe used to hunt whales. We saw the barbarity of it. We stopped. Why are you special?
That’s not really a good take though. You don’t need to be intelligent or social to be worthy of the moral consideration to not be eaten. Otherwise we’d be eating babies.
So the person who said this rhetoric breeds racism and xenophobia is now being demanded to renounce their culture and apologize for the actions of other people (just because they’re the same ethnicity)…
If you don’t want to be hated, don’t murder whales. It’s very easy, literally most people do it.
Faroese have hunted whales since time basically immemorial as people with more land have hunted deer. They are also allowed to, under international law, to hunt whales just as say Inuit are. Their hunting is sustainable, always has been.
The anti-whaling convention was instituted to stop commercial exploitation of the seas, to stop the great whaling ships, it was not instituted to stop people feeding themselves.
So kindly fuck off and I have a song for you.
I have never murdered whales. Nor have my children. We still being harassed.
Why do you care more about one person than your culture of murdering whales? Why do you speak up about him but not your tradition that you apparently don’t participate in??
Well. I don’t see anything inherently wrong in killing whales for food if it is done sustainability and humane. I much prefer it to wasteful battery farming.
Gross. Whales are intelligent, social creatures. That’s like eating chimpanzee.
I haven’t tasted chimpanzee but I doubt it’s the same. I have tasted pig, which are also intelligent and social, and it tasted nothing like whale.
When your moral arguments only apply when they fit your world view. They mean nothing.
Maybe they also don’t eat pigs? I eat meat (FUCK chickens), but I haven’t eaten pork for years after getting to know my neighbors pet pigs. Sure, they’re more socialized and a whole different breed from factory farm pigs, but still they’re too smart for me to be comfortable eating them. But my point here is that you’re accusing them of hypocrisy or inconsistency, without ever establishing that they actually are being hypocritical or inconsistent.
I take your point, and i also don’t eat pork. Not because I know a pig, but because of the terrible conditions most pigs are farmed under, and because all pork is imported here.
For me, loving an animal before you kill it is a part of lift. When I was a child, we often took rejected lambs into the house to bottle feed them. They become pets and then they became supper.
And I’d much rather that then only know meat as something you collect at the super market. Even though it would be more comfortable, the disconnect between meat and living creatures that modern people have often sickens me. So I’d much rather eat your neighbours pig than a factory framed one.
My point thought, is that no one gets outraged, justifys harassing people and wished death upon their entire family and country for eating pigs. So in reality, it’s not about intelligence and social behaviour. It’s about your culture being right and everyone else being wrong.
You uh… wanna bet about that one?
Values a culture finds truly abhorrent are combated. You’re using the same arguments people use to defend confederate monuments, or anti-LGBT laws. It’s tragic that your traditions cause harm, but just because they’re traditional and your culture doesn’t mean they’re not disgustingly cruel.
Yeah, we need to either stop or wildly reform factory farming. No argument there. But just because you think it’s cultural imperialism doesn’t make it reasonable to torture other creatures to death.
The big difference here is that, while I will absolutely admit to and work damn hard to change my own culture, you can’t even admit the cruelty inherent to your own traditions. My tribe used to hunt whales. We saw the barbarity of it. We stopped. Why are you special?
That’s not really a good take though. You don’t need to be intelligent or social to be worthy of the moral consideration to not be eaten. Otherwise we’d be eating babies.
Yeah, that doesn’t logically follow. Nobody said it’s the one, singular consideration.
You’re comparing a species of animal (whale) to the age of an animal (baby). Two completely different things…
Ironic, because you can’t tell the difference between a human and an animal.
You’re weird.
No amount of whaling is currently sustainable, and won’t be for many generations.
Long-finned pilot whale, Atlantic white-sided dolphin. Neither are endangered, on the contrary: Both are listed as Least Concern.
So the person who said this rhetoric breeds racism and xenophobia is now being demanded to renounce their culture and apologize for the actions of other people (just because they’re the same ethnicity)…
Sounds like they were right.
Somehow it’s still your fault. I’m very progressive.
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