• towerful@programming.dev
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    2 months ago

    Follow sensible H&S rules.
    Split the responsibility between the person that decided AI is able to do this task and the company that sold the AI saying it’s capable of this.

    For the case of the purchasing company, obviously start with the person that chose that AI, then spread that responsibility up the employment chain. So the manager that approved it, the managers manager, all the way to the executive office & company as a whole.
    If investigation shows that the purchasing company ignored sales advice, then it’s all on the purchasing company.

    If the investigation shows that the purchasing company followed the sales advice, then the responsibility is split, unless the purchasing company can show that they did due diligence in the purchase.
    For the supplier, the person that sold that tech. If the investigation shows that the engineers approved that sales pitch, then that engineers employment chain. If the sales person ignored the devs, then the sales employment chain. Up to the executive level.

    No scape goats.
    Whatever happens, C office, companies, and probably a lot of managers get hauled into court.
    Make it rough for everyone in the chain of purchase and supply.
    If the issue is a genuine mistake, then appropriate insurance will cover any damages. If the issue is actually fraud, then EVERYONE (and the company) from the level of handover upwards should be punished

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      There are going to be a lot of instances going forward where you don’t know you were interacting with an AI.

      If there’s a quality check on the output, sure, they’re liable.

      If a Tesla runs you into an ambulance at 80mph…the very expensive Tesla lawyers will win.

      It’s a solid quandary.

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        2 months ago

        Why would the lawyer defendant not know they’re interacting with AI? Would the AI generated content appear to be actual case law? How would that confusion happen?

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      My guess is that it’s gonna wind up being a split, and it’s not going to be unique to “AI” relative to any other kind of device.

      There’s going to be some kind of reasonable expectation for how a device using AI should act, and then if the device acts within those expectations and causes harm, it’s the person who decided to use it.

      But if the device doesn’t act within those expectations, then it’s not them, may be the device manufacturer.

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        2 months ago

        Yeah, if the company making the ai makes false claims about it, then it’d be on them at least partially.

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    This topic came up when self-driving was first coming up. If a car runs over someone, who is to blame?

    • Person in driver seat
    • Dealer
    • Car manufacturer
    • Supplier who provided the driving control system
    • The people who designed the algorithm and did the ML training
    • People who wrote and tested the code
    • Insurer

    Most of these would likely be indemnified by all kinds of legal and contractual agreements, but the matter would still stand that someone died.

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      Throughout the entire chain based on value/value add. Not to the consumer.

      So if a car manufacturer adds a shitty 3rd party self-driving to their car. And the license etc is 100 euro per car and the car 10k and sold by the dealer for 20k…

      • 100/20k for the 3rd party
      • 10k/20k for the manufacturer
      • 10k/20k for the dealer

      Hhmm how would this work for private re-sale… Still the dealer imho.

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        Dealers don’t (and shouldn’t have to) validate safety features. If they’re approved by the NHTSA, that’s their responsibility handled.

        It’s all the manufacturer.

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      An insurer is an interesting one for sure. They’d have the stats of how many times that AI model makes mistakes and be able to charge accordingly. They’d also have the funds and evidence to go after big corps if their AI was faulty.

      They seem like a good starting point, until negligence elsewhere can be proven.