On July 25, after a couple of months of debate, the Wikipedia entry “Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza” was changed to “Gaza genocide.” This was done despite the fact that the International Court of Justice in the Hague has not made an official ruling on the matter, in the wake of South Africa’s petition to the court alleging that Israel is committing or facilitating genocide in Gaza.
The Los Angeles-based Jewish Journal, which followed the Wikipedia discussion and vote, wrote that the editors who voted on this change claimed to be relying on an academic consensus based on statements of experts on genocide, human rights, human rights law and Holocaust historians.
“This article is about the genocide accusations against Israel”
Doesn’t mean the Wikipedia editors agree it is.
And I’m not saying it isn’t.
But OP is not being honest.
You are not being honest. This is a news article and the Wikipedia editors voted for the name.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
Looks like they think the earth is flat too.
World News = 4,259 articles announcing that Israel is committing genocide and 1,865 articles claiming there isn’t enough coverage that Israel is committing genocide.
Look. I get it. Israel be bad. But there is other stuff happening in the world that I’d like to know about. I don’t need to be told the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over again.
Good. Because it is a genocide. Fuck Zionism
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Why can’t we just ask mods to finally end this bot? It’s not good at all.
Wikis are unsuitable for contentious topics. Wikis are there to crowdsource objective facts about the world (all it takes is one person to add any given fact, so they will relatively quickly contain lots of facts). They were not invented as a tool, and should never have started to be used as such, to determine one single truth about contentious issues.
Israel committing genocide is not a contested subject among human rights organisations.
well i mean, most human rights orgs dont like war or people dying, so im not really sure why that’s a surprise.
But they don’t call all such events genocides.
Playing the devil’s advocate here: the existence of hell is not a contested subject among abrahamitic clerical organizations.
Don’t play devils advocate with genocide because of the damage denial can do. Also religious faith can’t be solved or contested through evidence, unlike legal determinations through a court or scientific findings. Giving the same weight or importance to any opinion is post modernism. And if only opinion matters and not truth or facts, then only strength matters.
I don’t know if you’ve ever read through a debate on a contentious and well attended topic on Wikipedia, but they tend to differ to experts, academics, and reliable sources, as it’s a Wikipedia policy (the easiest policy to appeal to in fact).
Sounds like this was more than one ‘point of fact’ or on lone editor at play. Perhaps we read to different things here:
The Los Angeles-based Jewish Journal, which followed the Wikipedia discussion and vote, wrote that the editors who voted on this change claimed to be relying on an academic consensus based on statements of experts on genocide, human rights, human rights law and Holocaust historians.
Sounds like they used high quality reliable sources to define the characterisation of the events. Which is a very Wikipedia approach to take.
well, yea, Wikipedia is not a court, but the ICJ would take a decade to decide and we need awareness/action now rather than when they are all dead, so
The court issued its interim ruling on Jan. 26 with six legally binding provisions, including those ordering the Israeli army to: prevent acts that might be considered genocide in the besieged enclave; allow humanitarian aid into the strip; punish incitement to genocide; submit monthly reports; and take measures to protect Palestinians. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/09/un-court-has-ruled-on-gaza-genocide-case-heres-what-happens-now.html
Is Israel following at least one of these?
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Inb4 ‘WIKIPEDIA IS HAMAS!!’ allegations start being thrown
Wikipedia headquarters and the editor under school in Gaza?
They’ll start a new wiki like conservatives did. Call it Zionedia.
this is perfect though. Because it takes them away from slowing down progress on wikipedia and instead wastes their time on something with shit SEO.
And the nazis will hopefully leave to go there as well
It already exists. Conservapedia
Given enough time, we’re gonna end up with two flavors of absolutely everything: normal, and racism incarnate
And others say we’ll end up with normal and woke.
I’m not on a team and feel like we will indeed end up with just 2 things and it’ll be both extremes. And most people will be stuck in the middle wondering why we have teams.
What the hell is “woke”? Isn’t that just normal?
Next up: a full congressional investigation into Wikipedia
Conservapedia will finally reach the mainstream https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_forks_of_Wikipedia
A number of content forks of the open-source encyclopedia Wikipedia have been created:
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Enciclopedia Libre, a 2002 fork of the Spanish Wikipedia created in opposition to perceived plans to add advertising to Wikipedia
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Conservapedia, a 2006 fork of the English Wikipedia that aims to present a conservative-friendly worldview
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Qiuwen Baike, a 2023 fork of the Chinese Wikipedia that aims to be compliant with Chinese government policies
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Ruwiki (Wikipedia fork), a 2023 fork of the Russian Wikipedia that aims to be compliant with Russian government policies
Conservapedia views Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity as promoting moral relativism,[9] falsely claims that abortion increases risk of breast cancer, praises Republicanpoliticians, supports celebrities and artistic works it believes represent moral standards in line with Christian family values, and espouses fundamentalist Christian doctrines such as Young Earth creationism.
I couldn’t have made it up, WHAT THE FUCK lmao
When i first came across that site. I thought it was satire… then i learned it was not and that scares me.
falsely claims that abortion increases risk of breast cancer
Ironically, they were close to a point that might actually support their views. Birth control does increase the risk of breast and cervical cancer. It also lowers ovarian, endometrial, and colon cancer risk, but they’re not presenting complete information either way, so they could just ignore those parts.
That site is good for a laugh - a complete alternate universe devoid of science, evidence, or conscious thought.
Soon to be condemned and superseded by Magapedia
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Wikipedia is now in the interesting position of having to write an encyclopaedia article about the discussions about their original page, in which I suspect they cannot cite themselves as a source.
Unless their “talk” page is about academics resolving the name change based on acacemic concensus. It’d still be “us confirming us”, but with citations and constructive resources.
Its likely too early (For Wikipedia) just because the ICJ hasn’t made a ruling. The genocide however is pretty plain to see and has been all year. Wikipedia has always done weird and often inconsistent things around the evidence allowed and sufficient to support statements in its articles so its not a new issue.
The ICJ ruling will take years though.
I think the most similar genocide to the Gaza genocide is the Bosnian genocide. The Srebrenica massacre took place in 1995 and the ICJ ruled in 2007.
So, the Gaza genocide might take until 2035 before it is all legally settled.
In the interim, Wikipedia and all of us need to decide what to call it.
Since it looks like a genocide and the initial findings support the case that genocide is likely being committed, it seems to border on genocide denial to call it anything else.
In the interim, Wikipedia and all of us need to decide what to call it.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, shits like a duck. Probably a duck.
Totally okay with calling it a genocide- and while they dither on what a slow-as-fuck court says, people are dying en masse.
Israel is starving the population, bombing them, shooting them, blockading them, it has destroyed all the medical facilities, educational institutions, all the infrastructure, it has cut off electricity and water and blocks or kills anyone trying to help the people to live. Israeli leaders openly express genocidal intent. There’s no doubt this is genocide.
shits like a duck.
In ponds?
Kidding aside, it’s ABSOLUTELY a genocide. There’s no doubt about it by any serious definition.
That Wikipedia has started calling it a genocide is a much needed step that removes one of the few remaining straws that Hasbarists and other genocide deniers have left to grasp at.
In the interim, Wikipedia and all of us need to decide what to call it.
i mean, we could also just not have started referring to it as a genocide, but uh, we jumped the gun there a little bit.
It’s always interesting to me how people will latch on to certain words so aggressively and refuse to cede even minor ground if it requires changing wording.
i mean even referring to it as “likely genocide” would make it like 10x more palatable.
Gross, Zionist moron scum
curious, i’m not jewish, how could i be a zionist?
ethno-nationalist maybe, but i’m not one of those either, i’m generally opposed to ethnostates.
also, am i gross? Or did i just say something gross? Weird implication there.
curious, i’m not jewish, how could i be a zionist?
Oh wow it’s super fucking rare for someone to just admit that they’ve got no idea what they’re talking about like that.
If you legitimately think being Jewish is a requirement to be a zionist then you’re so I’ll informed on the topic at hand that it’s actually pathetic.
also, am i gross?
Yes. Your views are gross, so I find you gross.
There’s no implication at all, I directly stated what you are. Work on your understanding of the language, it’s shit.
Oh wow it’s super fucking rare for someone to just admit that they’ve got no idea what they’re talking about like that.
well considering that zionism is a concept relating specifically to judaism, it seems fair to me to assume that it would be mostly jewish people that primarily care about it.
My family is historically christian, but i’m not a pastor or anything so any deeper lore is lost on me.
If you legitimately think being Jewish is a requirement to be a zionist then you’re so I’ll informed on the topic at hand that it’s actually pathetic.
i don’t think it’s a requirement, probably just a heavy predisposition. As a non religious individual myself i have no reason to care for zionism one way or the other. I also don’t think i mentioned anything specifically about zionism in my original post, so im not even sure why i’m being called a zionist.
Yes. Your views are gross, so I find you gross.
all of them? Or just these ones specifically.
Yeah. One time I edited the Wikipedia article on the human pancreas to say it was just a worthless organ taking up valuable internal real estate. My edit got redacted pretty quickly.
It has never been an organ of distinction
Yeah, they’re inconsistent from article to article, because it depends on how many editors show up.
The more editors generally means a more consistent result/accurate result.
By the way this Haertz article is making false claims.
From the wikipedia talk page:
Just fyi that Haaretz just dropped some propaganda about this article claiming that since its name change it “was regularly getting 55,000 views per day,” which is a demonstrably false claim.
