Since launching a surprise attack last week, Moscow has been unable to push Ukrainian troops back after they advanced up to 30km into Russian territory and are now in control of about 28 settlements.
  • eronth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Wowee, all he had to do was not be a shitter and this wouldn’t have happened. Now it will be his eternal reputation in history books.

  • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Putin is finally making history, his legacy will now be remembered forever. What a great accomplishment! They said it would be over in 3 days, over two years later and now Ukrainian troops are in control of Russian territory.

    Amazing what Ukraine has managed to pull off here. Watching closely to see how this unfolds.

  • BatrickPateman@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    First they were the second most powerful army in the world.

    Then they were the second most powerful in Ukraine.

    And now they are the second most powerful in Russia.

    I like they way this going 🤗.

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      they made a classic blunder- the one slightly more well known than getting into it with a scillian when death is on the line! Getting into a land war in Asia!

        • andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Most of productive thoughts throughout the pre-soviet russian history was wasted on that exact question. No joke. That long-going identity crisis even caused a divide within the elites about the choice of following either the european footsteps (westerners) or going on their own (slavic-philes).

            • andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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              2 months ago

              The correct russian names for these two groups are западники and славянофилы. I feel like googling them like this you’d encounter better results. But they are limited to one period of history while the question itself was before and after them.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Russia is. (ukraine may not be. Usually the distinction is a bit further east of Ukraine- around the ural mountains.)

          but.

          Russia definitely are asian. So. given that they picked a fight on their border… I’m gonna go ahead and say “close enough” to make fun of them.

          • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
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            2 months ago

            I think it’s probably more correct to say Russia straddles the border between Europe and Asia. The people in charge are European, and Asian Russians are treated more like serfs and cannon fodder. Disclaimer: I am not a social scientist.

            • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 months ago

              well, “usually” the geographic divide is placed either at the Ural mountains, and southward through the caspian sea. (which cuts off the western third of russian, more or less.)

              That said, if you go with geological distinctions, there’s only one tectonic plate covering eurasia. So it’s important to note that what it really comes down to is an arbitrary cultural distinction; basically a “are they more east or more west”. and that’s above my paygrade.

              I’m just here to mock them any way I can.

              It should also be noted, that part of the reason for the line in Princess Bride is what happened to the germans picking fights with the soviets- which was definitely a military blunder of epic proportions.

              The ostensible reason for the German invasion in ww2 was because they needed a source of oil to continue the war effort. which, the military staff wanted to invade the middle east, Iran, Iraq. Palestine, etc. I forget what they were called at the time. the middle east was largely equipped and armed with cast offs from ww1; that were obsolete before that war had even ended.

              But Hitler insisted, instead, of going into Siberia mostly because he absolutely loathed and despised Stalin. Which, there’s no reason to believe that the Germans couldn’t have steam rolled the middle eastern states. the question I have is how the occupation would have gone over. history says that holding Arab states is not an easy proposition. Suffice it to say that ww2 was likely to have been far more protracted than it was.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        What’s your point? It clearly states the cold war ended with the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.
        Most of eastern Europe chose to democratize, and they are way better off today than in 1991. But Russia chose to undermine the west and the countries around them, instead of cooperation.

        Countries are at war with each others.

        That’s not a law of nature by any means.

        • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 months ago

          But Russia chose to undermine the west and the countries around them, instead of cooperation.

          West and russia have been at war since WWII and even before read the article on cold war carefully.

    • alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I totally agree.

      After the collapse of the Soviet Union, they were handed everything they wanted on a silver plate.

      They could have been Poland on steroids.

      But they chose to reject it, so stupid.

    • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      2 months ago

      wanted to play superpower

      As someone who is from that region, it’s not even that. A whole lot of countries want to play superpower, and they are only mildly hated for it. The US, the French, even the Chinese are an abstract economic threat. The Russians want to play 18th century superpower and that makes them a concrete military threat.

      The stupid thing is, just by looking at the state of the world right now, they totally would have won the long game if they went soft power only. Putin is a failure that way as well I guess.

    • SSTF@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Russia has undeniably made gains. Avdiivka is comparable in size to the Russian territory taken by Ukraine. Except it took Russia a year and 30,000 casualties and hundreds of armored vehicles losses. Ukraine’s push into Russia has happened over days and Russia still hasn’t pivoted with a coherent response.

    • fuckingkangaroos@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Its part of it. There’s also the better negotiating position, possibility of flanking the Kremlin’s defenses, and forcing them to respond in a situation where Ukraine has the momentum and defensive stance.

  • slumlordthanatos@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    To my knowledge, it’s the first time in history that a non-nuclear power invaded and occupied territory belonging to a nuclear power.

    So, that’s even more dubious history Putin played a part in.

    • Zron@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      As long as no one’s nuclear trigger fingers get itchy, I’ll be happy.

      • localhost443@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        2 months ago

        My preferred fictional outcome is Putin orders a full launch, but almost all the missiles just do a small fart in their tubes as no maintenance was done, and the ones that launch end up reaching escape velocity and disappearing because the people in charge of the silos had long since sold the payloads for yacht money…

        • Zron@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Unfortunately, the US has a launch on warning policy.

          So even if every warhead Russia has is a dud, or doesn’t even re-enter the atmosphere, they’ll still be nuked into a fine mist of concrete and carbonized human dust about 20 minutes after we realize their bombs don’t work.

          And then the rest of us get to live through nuclear winter.

  • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    2 months ago

    So is this the game rulers are playing? Embarrass each others at the expense of millions of people?

    • Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      The ruler of Ukraine is playing a game called “Defend my country from foreign invaders”.

      Putin embarrassed himself by allowing it to get to this point. Russia is into year three of the war that was supposed to last a few days, over what is ostensibly his ego alone.

      • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        The ruler of Ukraine is playing a game called “Defend my country from foreign invaders”.

        You are saying it in a sarcastic way but for them it’s pretty much a game. Rulers don’t fight their wars they send peasants to die for them.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

        “As of 26 April 2024, the Polish government has offered, and the Lithuania governments is considering, repatriating Ukrainian men living in their countries to Ukraine. So that they can be drafted into the Ukrainian military”

        • Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          What do you mean “Sending them”? Send them where? The war is on their home soil. They don’t have to be “sent” anywhere. Even the guys who fought into Russia are doing so to get the Russians OUT of Ukraine.

          And what do you mean Zelenskyy is sending them to die for “him”. The Ukrainian soldier aren’t dying for Zelenskyy. They’re fighting and dying for their friend, family, and countrymen raped and killed by foreign invaders.

          • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            2 months ago

            What do you mean “Sending them”? Send them where? The war is on their home soil.

            To the front that’s where they are fighting. Not sure if you have seen it but many front lines are now wastelands where nobody lives anymore. Soldiers get send there to fight over invisible lines on the map.

            They’re fighting and dying for their friend, family, and countrymen raped and killed by foreign invaders.

            A soldier and a member of the army fights for the government. Why do you think conscription is a thing?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

            “Zelenskyy did not support a petition to allow men between the ages of 18 and 60 to leave the country abroad.”

            • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 months ago

              Do you notice that not one of your posts has ANY upvotes, and and all of them have MANY downvotes?

              The reason is because you’re spewing bullshit on this platform that’s not even CLOSE to being objective. At this point, you’re just coming off as a russian troll farm account.

              I wouldn’t be surprised to see mod intervention removing your posts and/or banning you.

              • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                2 months ago

                Do you notice that not one of your posts has ANY upvotes, and and all of them have MANY downvotes? The reason is because you’re spewing bullshit on this platform that’s not even CLOSE to being objective.

                Please highlight in my history any posts that you consider bullshit and not even close to being objective. The reason why i’m being downvoted is that many people are feed up on government propaganda so much that they downvote any comment that doesn’t align with the official narrative. For decades the government has push anti-russian propaganda and we have reach a point where any sort of criticism can comfortably be labeled as russia propaganda.

                Are you aware that USA spend way much more money than russia in propaganda?

                • Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 months ago

                  Every single post in this thread of yours is nonsense. Blatantly illogical and poorly reasoned pro-Russia propaganda. Not a single one of your arguments has any basis in reality and none of your assertions are even coherent.

            • Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 months ago

              The front where they’re fighting in on their home soil. They don’t need to be “sent there”, it’s their homeland. They’re not invisible lines in a map, it’s their land, their homes. The homes of their families, their friends, their community, their countrymen. They’re fighting for eachother. It doesn’t get any more noble than that. Nobody lives there anymore because of the foreign invaders. If they win the war, people can live there again. That’s literally what they’re fighting for, not “The government”.

              • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                2 months ago

                The front where they’re fighting in on their home soil.

                You are commenting in a thread that is about this war moving on russian soil.

                They don’t need to be “sent there”, it’s their homeland.

                Their homeland it’s not the front. Nobody lives in the front anymore, you can take a look at the many videos of combat footage available to see the destruction that got left behind. The land and homes got wrecked by both sides.

                They’re fighting for eachother.

                By definition a soldier of the army works and fight for the government. Anyone is free to fight for the reason they want but conscripts are forced to become soldiers and fight for the government.

                • Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 months ago

                  The thread is about an operation on Russian soil, during a conflict exclusively over Ukrainian soil. One group operating just over the border in Russia in a defensive war doesn’t change the fact that the front line is in Ukraine. The objecting of the operation remains restoring the sovereignty of Ukraine.

                  Their homeland is in fact the front. Their homeland consists of the entire country of Ukraine. Even the forests and the fields. Even the ruins of their homes. Even the graves of their loved ones killed by Russian invaders. The homes may have been destroyed by Russia, but once the war is won the Ukraines can return there. That is the point.