Russia will make changes to its doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons in response to what it regards as Western escalation in the war in Ukraine, state media quoted Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying on Sunday.

The existing nuclear doctrine, set out in a decree by President Vladimir Putin in 2020, says Russia may use nuclear weapons in the event of a nuclear attack by an enemy or a conventional attack that threatens the existence of the state.

Some hawks among Russia’s military analysts have urged Putin to lower the threshold for nuclear use in order to “sober up” Russia’s enemies in the West.

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    The SECOND Russia uses nukes, it’s OVER. Russia’s entire existence ceases to exist, as EVERY country will nuke Russia. It won’t be WWIII.

    WWIII would imply two set of countries of roughly equal might, and each side has several countries fighting together.

    This would be more like EVERYBODY vs Russia. And they wouldn’t last more than a few days.

    • HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world
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      18 days ago

      This would be more like EVERYBODY vs Russia.

      I do not share your confidence about that.

      Countries with nuclear weapons include China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, and possibly Iran. And while I don’t think any of them want a nuclear war, if a nuclear war breaks out, I can imagine three or four of them siding with Russia.

      China might side with Russia simply because they’re sick of the US trying to hem them in militarily through the “island chain” strategy. The US has the entire coast of China surrounded by military bases, which could be used to cut of China’s trade routes, which is an existential threat to China because their economy is so dependent on exports.

      North Korea has a historical beef with the US, and Russia helped North Korea survive through a period when the US tried to starve them.

      India and Pakistan have a long running dispute over Kashmir, and if India backs the US, it’s possibly Pakistan will back Russia just to oppose India.

      And Russia and Iran have been solid military and economic allies for a while now, working together in recent conflicts in Syria and Iraq.

      • InvertedParallax@lemm.ee
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        17 days ago

        The US has the entire coast of China surrounded by military bases, which could be used to cut of China’s trade routes, which is an existential threat to China because their economy is so dependent on exports.

        What is it with you people?!?!

        “it’s not fair that the US DARES to talk to other countries anywhere near us!?!?”

        This is the exact same excuse putin used for invading Ukraine, because no country is allowed to make their own decisions on who they talk to unless Russia and China get a veto.

        We have power they cannot begin to comprehend, they need to learn a lesson from Putin, “Don’t start nothin, won’t be nothin”, because if there’s one thing the US is famous for, it’s ending wars definitively.

        • HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world
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          17 days ago

          “it’s not fair that the US DARES to talk to other countries anywhere near us!?!?”

          I don’t believe that’s what I said.

      • chingadera@lemmy.world
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        18 days ago

        If their intelligence agencies are worth anything, they would understand that any action unless directly against Russia would be suicide not only for them but also us. Nukes are a losing strategy no matter what.

    • Sundial@lemm.ee
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      18 days ago

      The problem is Russia has the very real capability of really screwing up a good chunk of the world before they get wiped off the map. It’s kind of scary if im being honest.

      • odelik@lemmy.today
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        18 days ago

        Do they really?

        They made a lot of claims about their military capabilities. However their war with Ukraine has shown those to largely be lies propped up to hide that their oligarchs have emezzled the money.

        I’m starting to wonder how nuclear capable they actually are these days.

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          Of all the things Russia has spent money on, I have no doubts they have kept most of their nuclear arsenal in working condition. Even if they spent $0 on their military they would find a way to keep the nukes in working order.

    • BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one
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      18 days ago

      Unless the nuclear fallout is proven to effect a NATO ally and trigger Article 5, no one would give a shit if Russia nuked itself on its own territory. And no one other than the US can afford to unleash all of their their nuclear arsenal, costing billions of dollars and their only defense deterrence, in one go to light the powder keg and be left without nukes to defend themselves.

    • lepinkainen@lemmy.world
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      18 days ago

      We don’t need to nuke them even, we can just use conventional munitions to fuck up every military installation they have to rubble.

      And chuck a few Tomahawks at Kremlin to be sure