I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

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    The term “authoritarian” is so fraught that under these circumstances it might as well just mean “opponent of the United States” or “organized at all”.

    The examples you have provided are quite absurd.

    Tiananmen Square (which you misspelled) is indeed poorly understood in The West, including the historical conensus that there was no massacre in the square itself. It is, in fact, historical revisionism to suggest otherwise. In addition, Tiananmen Square is just a place, a very popular one to visit that has been the location for all kinda of events. In China, the events are called the June 4 Incident / events. Calling it “Tiananmen Square” is sometimes a sign that a person is not familiar with the history as they are using the common but misleading term that is virtually only used to forward the previously-mentioned historical revisionism to a Western audience that is in no way interested in understanding.

    Re: Uyghurs, I would suggest that you read into this much more, as the topic is full of misinformation, think tanks with shady ties, fake universities, charlatans pretending to be experts, literal teenagers treated as satellite photography analysis experts, and really weird NGOs, including pro-Trump ones. One good topic to focus on is calling it a genocide at all and how that came to be the discourse. In particular, what The Newlines Institute is, why they were amplified by the US State Departmwnt, their rationale, and, of course, why none of that is taken seriously outside of a very specific political block. Following their members, funding, etc is actually a pretty interesting rabbit trail to follow. Bird’s eye view, the rhetorical treatment of Uyghurs as the subject of genocide was more or less invented, and this is is why you naturally don’t see math death, destruction, refugees, or forced migrations of the Uyghur population. This does not mean bad things haven’t happened there nor that policies were not hamfisted, but just compare how China treated a series of sectarian knife attacks (education, jobs, vocational training, investment, banning extremist Salafist practices) to how the West treated and treats Muslims (invading and killing millions).

    So, anyways, I hope that you can continue your education and engage with these realities in gold faith.

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      On behalf of my Uyghur friends who haven’t spoken to their parents in years, because they were imprisoned for their children emigrating: fuck you. A really deep, heartfelt fuck you.

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      3 months ago

      Found one guys!

      Tianmen square test: Failed

      Uyghur test: Failed

      I love this litmus test so much lol.

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          Lol your copy pasted “answer” sounded like Donald Trump tried to wriggle out of a tough question.

          You showed that you don’t accept the Tianmen square massacre, nor the Uyghur massacre. What’s next, denying the holocaust?

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            Lol your copy pasted “answer”

            Copy pasted? From where?

            sounded like Donald Trump tried to wriggle out of a tough question.

            How so? I’m starting to think you’ve never heard Trump speak.

            You showed that you don’t accept the Tianmen square massacre

            It is historical consensus that there was no massacre at Tiananmen Square and it is revisionist to suggest otherwise, so yes. I stated this very directly.

            nor the Uyghur massacr

            “the Uyghur massacre”, as a term, isn’t a thing. Nobody claims there is something called “The Uyghur Massacre” except you, just now. I don’t want to guess what you’re trying to communicate.

            What’s next, denying the holocaust?

            Exactly the opposite. The absurdities behind labeling China’s treatment of Uyghurs a genocide, which is the thing I’m actually talking about, is so careless that it has the effect of undermining the gravity and crime of actual genocides, including the Holocaust. Have you looked into the topics and groups I mentioned?

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              See, you are a CCP boot licker denying genocides and massacres.

              Does feel like it’s AI generated though…

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                  Lol you just throw random answers in there.

                  I said it doesn’t work outside .ml

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                    None of my answers were random, they were direct responses to what you said, complete with quotes so that you can follow the logic.

                    Let me know when you are ready to engage with what I’ve said.