Obviously, I do t know anything that’s not in the article…
But…
We’re looking at drafted soldiers, and officers that were likely career military before…
There’s a reason why America stopped doing that even if the kids today don’t know where “fraggin” comes from.
In Vietnam, it wasn’t just because they hated their Officer, it was also if their last one got killed legitimately and the new guy was obviously going to get you and your buddies killed. In that environment, it doesn’t matter if your officer is trying to get you killed or is incompetent.
And especially today with all the media and propaganda, it’s hard to say this one was some kind of spy or intentionally causing Russian causalities.
But its just as likely he’s an old school “a soldier is a soldier, stop playing video games” type of guy.
To the troops that can look like intentional sabotage. When troops start thinking their officers will get them killed…
I can’t think of a nation off the top of my head that won a war like that.
The closest would be when the Nazis invaded Russia and any Russians that ran got shot by the Russians behind them.
But that wasn’t their officers. That was the officers and troops behind them that would be doing the same thing in days or even hours.
If Russian troops start thinking the best way to stay alive is kill their officers, we’re gonna start seeing a lot of dead officers, especially with Russia’s reliance on criminals and mercenaries these days.
I boosted because for the most part I agree, however the 40k style commissar executions by the Soviets was wildly overblown by Hollywood and the joys of the First Cold War (imo, it either never ended or began anew in the past 20 years).
I dug around to find some relevant info:
These barrier troops operated by apprehending retreating troops and sending them back to the frontline. When this was not possible, retreating troops were detained to await trial. Although they had orders which allowed them to shoot deserters and “cowards” on the spot, and while this most certainly did happen, it was not the norm. Of those detained and found guilty (around 900,000), roughly 422,000 were sent to penal battalions where they would continue the fight against the Germans by performing the most dangerous jobs. This number accounted for around 1.5% of those who would serve in the Red Army during World War II. Another 436,000 were imprisoned
An example of these ratios can be found in an internal list from the NKVD regarding the Battle of Stalingrad from 1 August 1942 to 15 October 1942. According to the list, 15,649 soldiers were picked up by barrier troops. Of these, 244 were imprisoned, 278 were shot, 218 were sent to penal units, and 14,833 soldiers were returned to their units.
So these blocking units were technically being operated by NVKD orders and officers, and according to their data, the vast majority of retreating/deserting troops were sent back alive (to die on the front line). Also for context for any readers unaware, the NKVD was the predecessor to the KGB, much like how the US had their OSS more or less turn into the CIA.
Couple quick sources since I’m too lazy to dig through my Russian history textbooks: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/05/the-soviet-army-once-shot-its-own-troops-for-retreating–the-russian-army-could-do-the-same/ https://www.thecollector.com/soviets-in-world-war-ii-myths-and-misconceptions/
Also I feel nothing for more Orcs getting slaughtered, after seeing the article all I could think was “Good, let them keep fucking up.”
Yeah, no, you’re right on here.
No better than they deserve.
The worst enemy of Russia has always been Russia.
the NKVD was the predecessor to the KGB, much like how the US had their OSS more or less turn into the CIA.
Whoooa-ooaahh!!!
That’s, that’s not even a comparison you can make, that’s insane!
The nkvd was a monstrous organization that controlled every aspect of Soviet civilian life, it was Stalin’s personal enforcement arm, responsible for all the purges and executions.
It was led by this fucker here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria
The hundreds of underaged girls he raped and tortured are literally the least of his crimes.
Comparing the nkvd with the Cia? I don’t even understand how you can try.
The KGB exists because the nkvd was utterly out of control under Stalin and they wanted something a bit less insane. Still a brutal arm of state security, but the NKVD was schizophrenic serial killers on meth.
The US has never, EVER in our history had anything that can remotely compare to either. The Cia specifically operates against foreign targets, there were very few exceptions to that rule.
That wasn’t the point I was making.
I get it, I just didn’t like the parallel, the NKVD were absolute monsters, nightmares in human form, the CIA has a LOT of faults, but outside of Pinochet and a few things in the 80s, I can’t see them on the same level at all.
If Russian troops start thinking the best way to stay alive is kill their officers, we’re gonna start seeing a lot of dead officers, especially with Russia’s reliance on criminals and mercenaries these days.
I wouldn’t get my hopes up. These guys knew that they were being sent to their deaths and they still obeyed the order. The Russian mindset is hard to comprehend.
True. These guys know exactly what’s going on but there seems to be little to no resistance. Really strange.
I’ve got the Russian male mindset for you," Where is woman, she needs to be back in house on knees, giving me my blyatnaya vodka. Let me hit her to hurry her up."
At least actual orcs are less of monsters…
Actual orcs never passed a law making domestic abuse legal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_Russia
They’re not even animals at this point.
They’d rather go and likely die than live in Russian gulags…
But they’d rather fuck off and be free than either.
It hasn’t even been a year since Russian troops marched to Moscow bruh.
They’re not as solid as you think. It took a leader to get them to march on Moscow, all it takes for them to fuck off is seeing others do it. And if officers stop them, well, there’s lots of people in the Russian army that won’t hesitate to kill someone for their own gain.
An Allegedly Corrupt Russian Commander
Yeah this title was written by the department of redundancy department.
And we’re all ready to believe that, but the article had nothing to support that claim. An easier explanation is someone’s incompetence that they either didn’t think they needed or didn’t know how to use a drone operator or couldn’t keep him supplied/equipped and the accusations are outrage over that.
Being incompetent or having inadequate supplies are certainly bad things but different from being corrupt
but different from being corrupt
Yes, but they already mentioned the commander was Russian in the article.
An easier explanation is [sic] someone’s incompetence that they either didn’t think… or didn’t know how…
Did you miss the part where they’re clearly posting from the department of redundancy department? 🤪
The drone operators video in the article explicitly calls out the commander for being corrupt, misreporting the situation on the ground, having Western contacts that he’s working with, and being involved in narco-trafficking.
I feel bad for the drone operator who was sent to his death for a shitty cause, but if the Russian commanders are like that, that’s a win for the good guys in my book.
He seems to be a ideological volunteer who fought in Donetsk even before the invasion. Fuck him, cheers to Russian incompetence
Narco trafficking sounds like a good incentive to get rid of drone operators. Wouldn’t want them capturing footage of those operations
I work in an industry known for frequent large layoffs, so I’m making the connection that many former employees take it personally and say things out of spite. I’m not entirely taking the operators word for it, since he clearly has a reason to be pissed off. As I said though: easy to believe
Yeah, it’s tough here because all wars, especially this one, are so horrible. I do feel sorry for those caught up in it and who suffer the consequences, and I know most Russians are not there entirely willingly. Still, Russia is the perpetrator, they are the cause of this suffering, death, and destruction, and this soldier was clearly participating. He is part of the problem so better him than his intended victims
What kind of psychopathic logic tree is this? He’s not be laid off, he’s being sent to die.
Most of us don’t have the experience of being sent off to die.
While I know it’s comparatively trivial, if people can be pissed off enough to make accusations after hearing the bad news of losing their employment, think of how pissed off they might be on hearing life threatening bad news
“Pre-mortem” recording by him and his comrade, with auto generated English subs (understandable, but longish); https://video.echelon.pl/w/ngWvQf2dbC4rmofmnRhEiq
