Is it simply: involuntarily celibate, or does it come with a package?
To me, “incel” has always meant someone who’s simply just celibate against their will, but it feels like the term now also implies a specific worldview or even a subculture. Does identifying as an incel automatically come with those negative beliefs around gender and society, or should those two have separate terms? Has the definition changed?"
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There is no 100% scientific consensus on the definition of incel, therefore I don’t believe in their existence.
It started off as people who are involuntarily celibate due to unfortunate circumstances. It ended up being co-opted by individuals incapable of self-reflection and self-improvement to understand that their celibacy is entirely based on their lack of hygiene and attitude towards women. They would rather blame the world for their problems instead of owning up to them and making positive changes in their lives.
Does identifying as an incel automatically come with those negative beliefs around gender and society, or should those two have separate terms?
Absolutely, yes. Incel culture is one of misogyny and sexism. People identifying as incels are typically the ones who blame women for not wanting to have sex with them while doing nothing to make women actually want to have sex with them.
My advice to you OP is stay far away from individuals and communities identifying as incel or pro-incel.
People believed they are owed sex rather than it being a mutual thing.
That makes sense. In my mind the definition never really evolved as I tend to take words literally and think of it more as a category, like “red heads” rather than as an ideological group. I guess that would technically make them a subgroup of incels.
I see where you’re coming from. Just keep in mind that the original intent of the group has been stolen a long time ago, something like 10 years ago at this point. At this point these people aren’t a sub-group of incels. They’ve completely co-opted the term and rebranded the incel term. Anyone who was originally incel for the right reasons has run off so far away from this term they might as well be in another planet. And I don’t blame them, who wants to be lumped into misogynistic assholes who fantasize about killing and raping women as well as underage girls simply because they think they’re entitled to sex?
My motivation here is only to probe on what other people really think of when using that word, so that I know what they really mean by it
There’s no problem with that. It’s clear based on your responses that you’re just trying to understand it and wrap your mind around it. Just thought to give you a heads up about the term in case you start using it or something.
Is an insult, overly simplifying a problem and just because someone isn’t getting sex doesn’t mean he does hate women or is ugly.
Andrew Tate -like
The definition as “involuntary celibate” is mostly used by the community whence the word comes… 4channers. Everywhere else, it has come to refer to the ideology of those who came up with it. Basically, misogynists who blame society, and particularly feminism for allegedly creating a world where it’s harder for them to get laid, and harder still to get a subservient housewife.
I would never use the term towards someone unless they were exhibiting the stereotypes. I would have no reason to, I could otherwise just say “this person is a cinnamon roll and needs to be protected.”
It has changed an enormous amount, this article discusses it
I’m just here thinking, someone is asking a small group of people what they believe to be the definition of a word rather than use the vast wealth of knowledge published by experts in their field on these here internets.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/articles-heterodoxy/202208/inside-the-minds-the-incels
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-024-06236-6
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/10/new-paper-explores-the-rise-of-incels/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9780135/
Wiki: A portmanteau of “involuntary celibate”. A term associated with an online subculture of people (mostly white, male, and heterosexual who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, and blame, objectify and denigrate women and girls as a result. The movement is strongly linked to misogyny. Originally coined as “invcel” around 1997 by a queer Canadian female student known as Alana, the spelling had shifted to “incel” by 1999, and the term later rose to prominence in the 2010s, following the influence of misogynistic terrorists Elliot Rodger and Alek Minassian.
It comes with a load of different perspectives and emotions. I agree with the person pointing out it has a lot to do with victimhood and blaming other people, if used as a self-description. I wouldn’t use it that way. And using it on another person I think it’s derogatory. So I also wouldn’t use it unless I wanted to hurt someone.
Maybe they should be called far-incels
It has always been the latter.
But the term itself implies the former
