• circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
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    2 months ago

    It takes a lot of personal discontinuity to say that either the KKK or the SS would be voting for a black woman.

    And yes, personal discontinuity is meant to be a nice way to say: you dumb.

  • drdiddlybadger@pawb.social
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    Abortion is on the ballot in ten states that isn’t good for Republicans at all. Expect to see way more trolls talking about how they are suddenly voting for the green party despite there being an actual socialist candidate to vote for. Republicans are desperate and know they’re in for big losses if they can’t pull something out.

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          Oh hey, another third party candidate coming out of the woodwork to run for president despite no experience in political office. I’m all for socialist candidates, but they should set their sights a little lower and start with County Commissioner or something to build experience.

          0% chance that a truly progressive candidate will win the general election without 1. significant experience themselves and 2. significant progressive representation in Congress and state offices. If the “both sides” parties can’t navigate the gridlock when they’re supposedly on the same team, how on Earth is an outsider going to get anything remotely effective accomplished without massive support from the legislative branch?

          Vote progressive down ticket and in local elections. When we have a healthy progressive bloc in Congress, then we can seriously consider a progressive presidential candidate. And for the love of God, they need actual experience first(Senator, Governor, Attorney General, something).

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            2 months ago

            To be clear I’m not advocating for Cruz I just think it’s hilarious that people who claim to lean left are hyping up the green and not the labeled socialists.

            To be honest I support my DSA locally because they actually take up council seats and attempt pushes into legislature and help with union actions.

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              To be honest I support my DSA locally because they actually take up council seats and attempt pushes into legislature and help with union actions.

              What’s this? A rational socialist voter that uses the features of the political system to gradually effect lasting change by engaging in local politics? Is that allowed?

    • yeather@lemmy.ca
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      2 months ago

      Technically this is exactly what Republicans wanted, letting it be up to the states and the people.

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      I’m pretty sure the majority of the US does not want someone that is so far left. That’s the mistake of the democrats. They are pleasing the most loyal democrats at the cost of the swing voters. The 2024 election was almost a 50/50. There is no way Harris is going to win this as it doesn’t take much to make her lose. Also a lot of original Biden supports have lost faith and are considering voting for Trump.

      Some back to me after the election and tell me I’m wrong

    • uienia@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      The thing is that it is on their own internal instance from which most other instances have defederated, so the audience they are trolling are mainly themselves. That kinda debunks the “they are only trolling/baiting” claims in my view.

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      2 months ago

      Ah yes, the organization that used to work with police to carry out public linchings. They are so incredibly liberal and inclusive

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      2 months ago

      Define amazing take. Defending Tankies isn’t allowed on this community.

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        Either useful non political information or takes so comically bad they can’t hold any water. Mostly the later.

        Why is this community so pro censorship? People here complain about tankie mods deleting comments and then the mods of this community are eager to remove anything they don’t like. Correct me if I am wrong but you only seem to allow comments that follow your political agenda.

        I don’t see anything wrong with discussion as long as it isn’t name calling or getting out of hand.

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          You are wrong.

          I absolutely loathe American politics and I hate seeing it, but allow it. I also don’t like capitalism, but I allow posts defending it. I also don’t like hearing about the Israel-Palestine conflict, but I allow it.

          You’ll find that this community is one of the more open communities across Lemmy regarding political discussion. There is also a warning system in place in this community where you’re given warnings before any action, and that action is usually, at most, a week ban. There has never been a permanent ban issued in this community except for in the most special cases, such as brigading.

          Tankies, like all extremists, will typically say something agreeable like, “Landlords and CEOs are bad people.” And that allows them to look moderate. What they don’t say is their more disturbing views, that they wish to kill people they disagree with and their love of authoritarianism, antisemitism and general bigotry and hatred towards minorities.

          There is also a thread dedicated for Tankies to discuss their ideas freely, but it was unfeatured because none of them used it. If you wish, I can refeature it, but I guarantee you it won’t be used.

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            You sound far left to me.

            Anyway I think I was seeing the warning comments and it that lead me to believe mod action was fairly aggressive. However, I would like to point out that a lot of your warnings are political on nature from what I’ve seen.

            Anyway, I’ll hold off on creating the meanwhileonmeanwhileongrad community.

            Side note: You should allow tankies to come here and defend there wild takes as it is entertaining. Just don’t allow anything to offensive.

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              I’m not on any political side. Left-Right is nonsense designed by elites to divide people into fighting one another instead of the common cause of all their problems. Plus, it doesn’t even apply in my country due to our voting system. Instead of labelling me as something, how about you just ask me what my views are?

              And yes, they are political, this is a political community. Feel free to make whatever community you want, I don’t care. I think Tankies on Lemmygrad had a meanwhileonMOG somewhere; maybe you can go join that.

              I’ll consider allowing Tankies outside the thread, but from experience, they don’t bother explaining themselves and usually just start trolling people.

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                I find the trolling to be particularly funny. It can be a slippery slope though to it is definitely something to be careful with.

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                  Haven’t had complaints so far.

                  Why are you all of a sudden so invested anyway? Making up stuff about my moderation, assuming my political opinions, and wanting to make other versions of this community. It’s a little weird, dude, what exactly do you want?

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    2 months ago

    The old “look at how well the system works you just have to move to make a difference” story

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    While I strongly disagree with the dogwhistles here, it’s true. If your state voted for Trump or Clinton/Biden with >10% margin in the last two elections, there’s almost zero chance the Trump/Harris election will go any differently.

    I personally dislike both major party candidates (but dislike Trump more) and since my state (Utah) voted for Trump with ~20% margin in both prior elections (even in 2016 w/ McMullin taking >20% of the vote), I feel comfortable voting my conscience. I even voted for Biden last election on the off-chance that people here hated Trump enough to matter, but no, >20% spread.

    So I’m back to voting third party. Even if every third party vote went to Harris, my state would still elect Trump with something like 15-25% spread. The only way that changes is if Kamala converts to my state’s predominant religion and Trump literally outs himself as worshipping Satan, and even then we’d probably still go with Trump for some stupid reason.

    So I vote for the next most popular third party, and in this case, that’s Chase Oliver from the Libertarian Party. I’m also registered Libertarian, mostly because I think they have the best chance to actually get a message out about voting reform, but also because I’m probably closest to their views (though I disagree with the LP on a ton of issues, especially recently, and especially the local UT LP). He’ll probably get 2-3% of the vote, perhaps less this year because he’s gay. If that instead were the Green Party, I’d vote for them (even though I have even less in common), because my goal here is to send a message that the 2-party system sucks.

    If your state is that polarized, there’s really no point in voting for the minority party candidate, go third party and make a statement.

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    Eh, if you’re in a red state that doesn’t do proportional voting with their electoral college votes, they’ve got a point.

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      States can change color over a longer time if you dont do that shit. Is calling the candidate KKK/SS a good point?