cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3752956
Fascism is here.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/22/trump-mass-deportation-immigrant-camps
Years ago, well before Trump was a name we heard multiple times every fucking day, George Takei came and spoke at a thing I attended. He told the story of his family being rounded up during WWII because they were Japanese.
He was only 4 or 5 or so, but he still remembers the moment when they came to his house and took him and his family away to one of those camps.
It was an incredibly moving story and he told it with such emotion that it was as if it had happened to him the year before. People in the audience were tearing up. I’ll never forget it.
This is not okay.
Takei talked about it earlier this year on Jesse Tyler Ferguson’s podcast as well
https://player.fm/series/dinners-on-me-with-jesse-tyler-ferguson/george-takei
Oh thanks! I’ll definitely listen on the way to work tomorrow!
No wonder Trump killed the bipartisan immigration reform bill. I didn’t realize the anti-immigrant sentiment had gotten to this level in so much of the population. It’s frankly horrifying.
I’d love to know more about how that poll was conducted. 22% of democrats? 47% of independents? I’m skeptical that those are really reflective of how prevalent those attitudes are.
i’m skeptical too but it’s because i think it’s too low. my experience is colored by being in an immigrant family who came here illegally and now those same people fully support trump’s and biden’s draconian border policies.
talking to other mexican immigrants who did the same and also support blocking anyone else from coming in makes it feel like they’re a majority and i’m 100% sure it’s the evangelical spanish media misinforming them like fox news does to maga since they repeat the same clearly false lies when pressed on why it was okay for them to do it; but not anyone else. (if they answer at all).
I’m a third-generation immigrant in the UK who grew up in a working class environment. Anti-immigrant rhetoric is common.
Immigrants could commit <10% of the crime of non-immigrants, and contribute >90% more in taxes. It still wouldn’t stop them being an outgroup. No fact of immigrants being good for the country they go to can overcome “but they don’t belong here”, because prejudice is not logical.
I had recently gotten a campaign spam mail from a conservative candidate that put “people over politics” yet one of their running issues was “supporting vets over illegal immigrants”.
Yeah. It’s pretty easy to get lost in an echo chamber like lemmy. A lot of folks don’t like immigration.
Dear Anti-Harris Protesters
This would include Palestinian-American Refugees
Sincerely Americans Concerned About Trump
I’m firmly convinced that 90% of the protesters are trolls that’ll vote Trump anyway and are just trying to discourage people from voting for Harris that would never vote for Trump the same way the Trump campaign did that against Clinton.
Some people are probably participating in those as useful idiots that are not realizing that their activism will only make matters worse
I think it’s very telling how often those protests are accompanied by “not voting for X” - since that’s the main agenda - not to help Palestinian people
Is it a final solution?
For some. Trump just Goebbels this up.
Reminds me of someone, i can’t seem to remember who
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Would it be a certain orange guy?
As long as we are putting people in “militarized camps” can we do that with Republican voters instead of immigrants? I reckon it would have way better effects in society.
Florida: “Insurance costs are skyrocketing!”
Also:
" Let’s cut the labor pool of the people who fix and replace the roofs at a lower cost."Hmmm… I wonder what’s going to happen to roof costs and thus house insurance costs
That’s right, folks. The election is winnable, but only if you can capture the critical immigrant concentration camp swing vote.
I was going to ask what was the exact wording of the question, but it’s a cross post from hexbear so I’ll assume nobody knows or cares…
I will be paying attention to similar claims but i wouldnt be surprised if the survey results arent representing the population well. Anyone know what verification is collected for an online poll like this? Or is it email based and easier to manipulate? Their methodology pasted below for those curious.
"Methodology: The American Values Survey was conducted online Aug. 16-Oct. 4. The poll is based on a representative sample of 5,027 adults (age 18 and older) living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia who are part of Ipsos’ Knowledge Panel®.
The margin of sampling error is +/- 1.82 percentage points at the 95% confidence level, for results based on the entire sample."Okay, so militarized detainment camps for people who enter the border is cool, but taking people who orchestrate a coup, lining them up against a brick wall, and having a firing squad go through them is not.
Hard to follow their logic in regard to protecting our great nation
Faux News is a helluva drug
Illegal immigrants should be first informed, second prevented from entering and third detained if they still decide to enter. They are law breakers by merely being in the United States without entering via port-of-entry or overstaying a visa. It shouldnt be dehumanizing but it must be manned and they shouldnt be allowed to leave. We have 23 million complete randos in this country. It’s neither okay nor sustainable and they should be sent back. Frankly if it is not profitable to be an illegal immigrant then they will stop coming (at least in such numbers). Ultimately the solution is prevention but no one wants to do anything about that be it physical barrier, more border guards or prosecution of American businesses. There is no kumbaya solution to this problem.
It’s neither okay nor sustainable
Source?
You realize mass deportations would decimate the economy? Some cities are 10% undocumented immigrants; Florida is 5% undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants are a significant part of the U.S. economy and culture.
It would also be a horrific endeavor. Police going door-to-door demanding documentation. Probably social surveillance similar to Nazi Germany (along with all the false accusations). 4 million child U.S. citizens would have their parents hauled away. There will need to be concentration camps to hold all those people before travel (if they would actually get around to doing that).
“Law breakers,” isn’t a very good argument. Everybody breaks the law (speeding, jay-walking, etc). The system is currently working as intended, and encouraging people to break the law to acquire an easily exploitable workforce. Incidentally, undocumented immigrants commit far less crime than citizens.
They should be sent back but shouldn’t be allowed to leave?
Yeah they should wait to be processed. Currently they are apprehended and then let loose to go live in America while awaiting a court date they will probably not show up for.
Wait like in militarized camps?
I gave you my criteria. Whatever editorializing you want to add to it is your business.
