Y’all missing the point here, the elephant in the room is that Kamala is a woman, and America is a very misogynistic place. Trump won both times against a woman, and loose against a white old dude. Both ladies were better than Biden at everything, they platforms were better. This wasn’t even related to Palestine, or climate change, you americans are sexist morons, demographically speaking, and choose the rampant fascist male clown instead of the qualified female, you are afraid of women in power, and that will cost you your democracy. Good luck evicting the oversized cheeto in four years.
I know I will probably get downvoted but:
- This is not a comic strip
- Political content on non-politics community
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This isn’t a non-politics community. There’s no rule banning politics in the sidebar. If you want this community to get rid of politics, maybe you could engage in a political campaign to get the assent of the users and then bring your policy proposal to the moderators with a political argument in favour of non-politics.
This isn’t a non-politics community. There’s no rule banning politics in the sidebar.
By non-politics I meant that this is not a community dedicated to politics, not that politics are banned or something like that.
If you want this community to get rid of politics, maybe you could engage in a political campaign to get the assent of the users and then bring your policy proposal to the moderators with a political argument in favour of non-politics.
I didn’t say that I want this community to get rid of politics, but that this post doesn’t belong in this community and it is better to be posted somewhere else.
So I completely understand why people would feel this way, given that Trump won, it must stand to reason that people voted for him more, right? Except that isn’t the case. Trump got fewer votes this election than the last one.
Let me also just add here: Fuck Trump, fuck the GOP, fuck all of the fascists that supported and voted for him. I wish that Hell was real so that they could all go there.
But the reason he won isn’t because people voted for him more, it’s because Kamala’s platform didn’t inspire democrat voters to actually go and vote for her.
You could totally say that in the two party system, choosing not to vote is the same as voting for Trump, but I think that’s not true - a large number of people who voted Biden but didn’t vote Kamala are likely to be opposed to Trump and are likely to participate in protests, activist action and organising against fascism.
You may not understand why someone would be motivated to participate in activism, but not motivated to vote - and I completely understand that too. People who are into electoral politics don’t really grasp how others feel about it.
There are a number of reasons why that could be, but I would say that probably chief among them are the fact that she represented a status quo rather than a shift towards socialism, and because she refused to take a firm position against the ongoing genocide in Gaza
Of course, you’re free to believe as you wish, and I’m not trying to change your mind really - I’m just trying to add a bit of nuance and help explain what happened.
a large number of people who voted Biden but didn’t vote Kamala are likely to be opposed to Trump
That’s an intention, a feeling. It’s not an action.
and are likely to participate in protests, activist action and organising against fascism.
That’s great, but it isn’t voting.
These people chose to do nothing about Trump winning the election, and then take on a fascist dictatorship with banners and guns. That’s a great idea if you want a civil war. That’s a great idea if you think that making people suffer and making them see their friends and family die will radicalise them into revolutionary soldiers.
Is that the plan, or do the people who didn’t vote just not have a plan? Were they acting on their emotions? Did they think that it was Kamala’s job to make them feel motivated to resist fascism, because the prospect of voting against a fascist dictatorship just isn’t a sweet enough deal on its own?
It was a choice between neo-fascist now or neo-fascist later, DragonFucker.
Can you not at least see how people might want to try to find other paths forwards and actually make changes?
I was all for telling folks to vote prior to the election, but I can hugely empathise and understand why they didn’t.
Kids in cages, anti-Trans laws, bombs to Israel and Saudi Arabia have only gone up from Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden. The system is the same, it just gets to mask off a bit when Trump is at the helm.
Drag will reiterate drag’s point that we are now facing the prospect of actually making changes, as you say, against a fascist dictatorship. That’s harder than against a liberal capitalist state. If we’re Sisyphus and America is the boulder, then these people just decided to let the boulder roll downhill and smash into a lube factory. That makes it harder to make changes, not easier.
What is the plan in this decision?
I think that if Kamala had been elected, then we would have had four more years of things getting worse under neoliberalism, before getting a fascist in 2028. america is kind of a fascist country, it’s just now that the american people are experiencing it for themselves rather than just subjecting it on others
Maybe, but it’s hard to believe the cult leader will be active in four more years, and so far no one else has whatever power he has to attract his followers.
Also, I’ll take four more years of the country functioning
Four more years for drag’s friends to live and find a plan to escape the country. Drag thinks that’s a good thing. Do you think it’s a bad thing?
I have the utmost sympathy for you and your friends and I hope you’re all okay, and I want to send you as much of my love and support as I can. I wish you all nothing but the best and I hope the world turns. Stay strong, stay hopeful, and remember who the true enemy is, the ruling class, the billionaires, the media, the politicians who sold our future for $$$.
And the voters who chose this.
I think we might differ on how bad we think the status quo of neoliberal US is, DragonFucker.
It may be harder, certainly more violent.
But maybe a wider range of society will be more motivated to take direct action.
Edit: and yes, my theory does explain Nazi Germany. A weak, capitalist state where Socialists and Communists were gaining ground electorally led to far right non-winners given power because that was more palatable than ceeding more ground to the Left. And after that it left global capitalism in a stronger state than ever.
But maybe a wider range of society will be more motivated to take direct action.
Drag has trans friends who live in the USA. Drag does not think their lives are an acceptable price to pay for this plan of yours.
I don’t think their lives are either, DragonFucker.
But Harris wasn’t going to make them safer or even stop things getting worse. Ask them if they felt safer in 2023 or in 2018.
Your anger is better focused at Trump and Co in particular, and the US government in general than regular random people on the street.
As for me, I wish I had a plan. I’d just assumed Harris was going to win, but here we are.
Maybe the response I got from my Mom is telling
- she’s a surprisingly liberal boomer
- she understands Trump is unfit to lead anything and would never vote for him
- she was unhappy voting for Harris
When I asked why and fact checked, two of her three reasons were false and third was “misleading”.
So even with someone whose vote was always going to be Democrat, the flood of misinformation and lies prevailed.
For my brother who is conservative, I didn’t get into it since there was no point in starting an argument. However he dismissed a lot of things Trump said as “he’s not serious, he’ll never do that.”
Too complicated for 90% of voters to comprehend.
They saw: Democrat president made my groceries more expensive
They heard: Democrat replacement will do things around the same as they used to be. Republican guy is going to do things VERY differently.
And the herd mentality took over past that point
You can’t honestly think this is true. People didn’t switch—at least not any significant percentage. I think it was a 1% swing. People stayed home.
The democrats don’t own the votes of people. They swung for the neocons. Leaving the people who’d been arrested for sitting in their schools for not liking a fuckin genocide to sacrifice their values. Again. It’s always on those of us that want better to sacrifice our values to keep the wolves from the door. While the Democratic Party opens the back door for them when they hold the keys anyway.
They are doing the same thing over and over, shutting out even a middle of the road progressive like sanders. And then they expect to hold onto voters who want real change? They can’t promise more and more of the same and then expect people to get excited. This is 100% on them.
It’s exactly why there is nothing but fear and hate blasting across every digital and analog service known to humankind. The United States has literally saturated itself, through it’s own volition, in whatever the peddlers were selling. They became the ultimate consumer. When you are literally breathing in the propaganda, cortisol cranked to 11 and the only option on the menu is all or nothing politics this is what ya get.
~75 million chose the devil they don’t know and the DNC needs to reflect on that. Or die. Their choice. The rest of us probably won’t even get that choice.
??? It is literally impossible for any voter to not know the devil they chose. No, over 70 million voters actively chose to elect perhaps the most incompetent and transparently stupid president in history back into office, but with a well known and well documented playbook this time around on how literally entry metric of American life, from domestic policy to foreign policy, will be made worse to the sole benefit of big corporate actors and 1%ers. A whole bunch of others were too apathetic to be concerned by this.
Voters ultimately made their choice. A lot of folks are going to die as a result, but unfortunately it won’t be limited to just the idiots that actually chose this.
His first term was a bungle. They had two years of a majority and couldn’t even finish the blueprints for a wall. I really don’t think the GOP was prepared. They are now.
Straight up Reddit tier cope from liberals this last week. If you wanted to win don’t turn away 15 million people from your base to pander to a bunch of MAGA voters who were always picking trump regardless. Absolute fucking morons.
Drag agrees that Harris’s campaign sucked, and Harris is to blame. Drag also thinks America voted for a fascist, and America is to blame. The great thing about blame is that two people can both be 100% at fault.
Harris is a fascist, you lib
Yes, the lesser evil lost to the greater one again, and they and their diehard supporters insist on learning nothing.
People forget that nationwide elections are ordinarily determined by infrequent voters to begin with.
It wasn’t high-propensity voters voting for trump, third party, or abstaining, it was ordinary non-political americans who didn’t see a point in voting for a status-quo center-right candidate.
People have been screaming at democrats since at least 2008 that they need more progressive, more radical policies, and they’ve repeatedly avoided addressing those concerns. Trump ran in 2016 as a moderate. He came out on the left of fucking hillary clinton on the war in Iraq and interventionism. She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her, and democrats still have not fucking learned.
Democrats need to let go of their moderate progenitors and re-build their base from the bottom left. They’re leaving millions of voters on the table because they keep hamstringing themselves on a bygone era of popular neoliberalism, and there’s nobody left to blame now but the party itself.
She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her
Nobody voted for Trump because he was “more left than Hillary”. That’s not why anyone voted for him.
i believe what he meant was that “trump won despite being on left of hillary” which goes against the dnc propaganda at that time that sanders was not electable because america will never vote for leftist views. add that hillary was stupid (or corrupt) enough to not give anything to her voter base while trump did. shows how out of touch dnc had become.
Your opinion is valid but, with no offense intended, i wasn’t talking to you
That’s not how this works. It’s a social platform. You talk to all of us.
Or not
They absolutely were compelled by his opposition to international conflict and intervention - which was a huge part of Clinton’s legacy as SoS.
“vote for a ceasefire” is the ceasefire in the room with us now? Because I’m not surprised people DIDNT vote for someone who was the fucking president but refused to pressure to end a war because it could be used as leverage in an election campaign.
Do you think Kamala Harris was the president, or do you think people are upset that voters didn’t vote for Joe Biden?
I’m pretty sure she vowed to not be silent on Gaza, and then didn’t really bring it up until 2? days before the election? Even if she said somewhere about ceasefire she clearly didn’t mean it.
The president and I are working around the clock every day to get that ceasefire deal done
- Kamala Harris
now is the time to get a ceasefire deal and get the hostage deal done.
- Kamala Harris
We’re not going to stop in terms of putting that pressure on Israel and in the region including Arab leaders
- Kamala Harris
it is time for this war to end and end in a way where Israel is secure, all the hostages are released, the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can exercise their right to freedom, dignity and self-determination.
- Kamala Harris
My bad. I guess she mentioned it more than twice.
But in my defense I don’t think I need to remember all the empty words. You’re working with the president around the clock for a ceasefire and the outcome is an 8 billion military aid package for Israel and further escalations by Isreal? She can say all the thoughts and prayers she wants but it doesn’t change that the administration she’s a part of made no progress on a ceasefire.
If you think she would’ve done a ceasefire after being elected you’re huffing pure copium. If a ceasefire was on the card the ceasefire would’ve happened already . You don’t run on “I know our party is currently in office and can pressure for a ceasefire and we can’t or won’t do anything, however if you elect me then next year we’ll do something.”
Just look at the rally from where the first 2 quotes are from. They’re actually part of the same quote and I’ll add the quote in full.
I have been clear: now is the time to get a cease-fire deal and get the hostage deal done. Now is the time, and the president and I are working around the clock every day to get that cease-fire deal done and bring the hostages home. So, I respect your voices, but we are here to now talk about this race in 2024.
Translation. We hear you but we don’t want to address it.
People didn’t turn out much more than they changed their vote.
Drag will amend drag’s question.
You seriously thought a fascist dictatorship was an alternative not worth preventing?
Your point’s ok, but your habit of speaking about yourself in the third person is really grating and it comes across as snobby.
No, it sounds like regression to a toddler’s inability to use pronouns.
Drag isn’t talking about dragself in third person.
🙄 Proceeds to talk in some weird third-person adjacent way of referring to themselves. Shut up dude.
It’s just a gimmick account with a silly style to amuse themself, who gives a shit? Just ignore it and move on…
No, drag is using first person pronouns.
I’m saying, don’t hallucinate an alternate reality.
I showed up to vote. But not enough others were excited to do so.
The ceasefire in Gaza was always bullshit and it was obviously bullshit.
I’m going to end the war!
Putin says the same thing.
Details, bitch, with a clear path to a two-state solution because Israel has lost all rights to claim they’re not an apartheid state.
Not that it matters now.
I mean okay. That’s kind of not how people work. You can hate it, but it’s just not how people work. I thought y’all had learned that by now.
Blocked the user.
The problem wasn’t Harris or her platform, it was that more than half of American voters are fucking idiots. Massive public stupidity is a problem no politician and no platform can cure. We’ve spent more than half a century addicting ourselves to entertainment and convenience. We need everything presented to us in memes now. America collectively has shit for brains, so we’re going to have a sack of shit for President. Congrats y’all.
Oh, yay. More sour grapes.
