Not sure if this is the right place to post, but when the reddit protests were happening, I used Lemmy for a bit then decided to detox from “social media” for a while till now. Am I misinterpreting the activity here?
The userbase is small but stable.
Not… entirely. In March we had 54k Monthly Active Users, while now we have only 45k, that’s a not-entirely-insignificant drop of 17% of users. Also, personally I’ve created some alts during that time-frame, so if others did similarly… the real drop could have been much larger.
Ofc, it could have been that people simply dropped their older alts and are now happy with fewer alts but the same number of people - but that gets to that very old argument that Galileo had with others about whether the moon was perfectly smooth (due to spiritual implications) or not: he observed that it was not, though others raised their objections and tried to counter with the notion that perhaps there were mountains on the moon… but that if so, surely the valley regions were covered with glass, so that the moon retains the property (again, for reasons of spiritual purity) of being a perfectly spherical object?
Ofc you can guess what Galileo said to that: surely there must indeed be glass on top of the valley regions, so that they fill in the height of the mountains with an equal height of the glass valleys, which we cannot see b/c they are made of glass, <eyeroll>, yes indeed “surely” that “must” be the case - but also, in addition to that, there is EVEN MORE glass on top of the mountains, height proportional to how tall they are, and while we cannot see that material either, that is what is causing the differences in shadows, which he could measure with his spyglass that he pointed upwards into the heavens.)
Moral of that fun story: we can conjecture such matters all day long, and how fun that would be for both of us! But at the end of the day, all we have are the facts and numbers in front of us, however imperfect they may be:-).
That said, these numbers may particularly be bad, e.g. if anyone left Lemmy and went to Mbin and/or PieFed, then I think they would not be counted in those charts? I am not 100% certain about that, or much of anything really, but pretty darn close b/c of how the “software” field seems to work on that site, with the other buttons like List and on a particular chosen instance to look at more details, the Main Data tabulation (and see e.g. https://mbin.fediverse.observer/piefed.social, click to expand the Main Data, and that JSON output has “softwarename”: “piefed”, but nothing at all with the text string “Lemmy” there).
The total number of Lemmy instances has also dropped 24%.
Although the total number of both posts and comments has gone up rather than down - so we see a lot more activity, from a significantly smaller number of people. I wonder how sustainable that is though, e.g. next year won’t be an election year in as many countries as this one was. Overall I am worried about the health of the Lemmyverse, though less worried than ever before about the health of the overall Fediverse b/c of the newer software alternatives that have and are still coming:-).
The drop is slowing down considerably:
Month Users Change from previous month in % Mar 53687 N/A N/A Apr 51298 -2389 -4.5% May 48832 -2466 -4.8% Jun 48472 -360 -0.74% Jul 47297 -1175 -2.4% Aug 47876 +579 +1.2% Sep 47227 -649 -1.4% Oct 45037 -2190 -4.6% Nov 44837 -200 -0.44% And given that March was a peak, I’m tempted to interpret it as newbies not sticking around. I think that it’ll plateau around 40k users, then provided that the conditions remain the same it won’t increase or decrease.
That’s why I say that it’s stable - the core userbase will likely stick around.
That said, these numbers may particularly be bad, e.g. if anyone left Lemmy and went to Mbin and/or PieFed, then I think they would not be counted in those charts?
They wouldn’t be counted but I don’t think that this introduces a lot of inaccuracy. Mbin has 1.7k MAUs, and PieFed has 104.
The number of instances dropping is far more concerning IMO. It means that smaller instances have a hard time becoming sustainable.
For people that enjoy using
Arch btwLinux, we’re good yeah. Although occasionally some of us will die or whatever, and we need to have some level of growth or else accept that we will pretty much just shrink from now onwards. i.e., people talk as if we will go mainstream, or rather as if content will spring up magically from nowhere. If we want the small niches like Reddit has, we would need the userbase first. And to get that, we’d have to ditch our toxicity issues, make the UI more functional, and above all else make better moderation tools. Which I am doubtful will happen as the Lemmy devs seem happy with their current pacing and direction of changes - that’s 99% fine with me btw, as it’s theirs to do with whatever they please; though I am all the more happy to now see the likes of PieFed grow much quicker, even though it started out so very much further behind.Fair point about PieFed being extremely tiny, and there are only 3 of them that are open to the public to join (https://join.piefed.social/try/) - though I am somewhat surprised to see the number of users for Mbin being so low. Yeah, I suppose they must be going back to Reddit, or perhaps Bluesky, or something else.
I am not sure how much to worry about the number of instances - on the one hand the long-anticipated 0.19.6 software release came out just today, which should fix the federation issues with Lemmy.World for many of them. On the other hand, smaller instances weren’t likely to want to pull down the entirety of the Fediverse to begin with, as an actual multi-user one (even if on the small side, like Discuss.Online or Aussie.Zone) would, plus once gone, wouldn’t we expect them to never come back, i.e. regardless of the software release today? So whatever turned them away… it would have been interesting to have known (though introverts would be the last to have offered such:-).
People coming here to rant about Reddit isn’t activity.
I tried not opening Lemmy the last few weeks because of the flood of American politics. I’m sure many people felt the same.
Do you use all or subscribe to things? I have a good list of communities and I honestly don’t see much if any politics
All, yes. And I have blocked most of the communities that call themselves “News” or similar, but almost only post US politics as news. Yet it still trickles down into other communities.
Try going the other route, and explicitly subscribing to content you enjoy. From what I read you aren’t alone, that all is a firehouse and it’s not all fun. Subscribed to me is a much chiller experience
Amazing way to approach it!
Just a wee bit afraid there would be just porn left after applying the “subscribe to me” rule 😉
I’m not sure about overall activity, but I do know my feed is active enough that i can’t read ALL of it unless I spend like an hour or more per day on here, and that’s plenty active for me.
I’ve found my participation slowly declining here on the Fediverse, and ramping back up again on Reddit. I think I’m never going to stop coming here entirely, there’s plenty of neat links that come along to explore, but the main thing that’s causing decline is that IMO the communities here are a lot “bubblier.” It’s probably inherent in the simple fact that they’re small, and that they’re populated by a very self-selected fragment of social media, but the result is that if I “say the wrong thing” I get pummeled with downvotes and snide comments a lot easier here. Makes it less interesting to comment at all. Some of Reddit’s communities are pretty insular too but at least there are enough of them that I can find ones to my taste.
As a major example that comes to mind, all of the technology communities I’ve found here seem to be quite strongly anti-AI. I have an interest in AI, but when I click through to the comments on stories about AI topics it’s often nothing but rants about how awful it is. And if I say anything - even to correct a factual error - I get piled on. So lately I just sigh and move on.
As a major example that comes to mind, all of the technology communities
I’ve blocked most of them a while ago. Still seems strange that there is no AI enthusiast community somewhere, that should definitely exist
People didn’t find what they wanted and/or went back to what was stable and familiar. I still am avoiding using reddit for anything except the subs related to people living in Japan (the community didn’t move over; a couple did but there were basically no posts very quickly) and when it shows up in some search result and nothing else has worked.
Lemmy’s got some cool communities like !truecomics@midwest.social that don’t exist on Reddit, so I’m happy
Maybe I have been a little less active, but that is because Sync for Lemmy is too broken to use.
My two best alternatives are Boost (currently using it) then Summit for Lemmy :)
Voyager has been working well for me.
It is great, but it never feels smoother than Summit, Boost or Sync :/
Especially while scrolling, swiping back posts or going to your subscriptions.
which protests? there have been many.
Y’all know which one, the one that brought most of us here.
June 12, 2023, nothing happened on the front page, it was a peaceful day, there is no protest, carry on, internet user.
(It was June 12 right? My post-covid memory has been a bit blurry)
Edit: typo
us?
Us as in Lemmy Users who came from reddit
maybe, he’s not one of “us”.
