• azurefirefly@lemmy.basedcount.com
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    1 year ago

    Interesting you all are antisemitic in the Israeli and Hamas conflict but when it comes to Elon you flip and want to side against him.

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      1 year ago

      You’re either using antisemitic in bad faith or don’t understand what it is. Opposing Israeli oppression of Palestinians is not antisemitic. Antisemitism is hating Jewish people for being Jewish, or assuming that every Jewish person is to blame for something done by other Jewish people (or made up entirely). Calling criticism of Israel antisemitic is antisemitic itself because it is implying that those criticisms are apply to all Jewish people. They don’t, and don’t even apply to all Israelis, since I assume that some of them are appalled at how Palestine has been treated over the last century and there has been momentum to remove the far right government from power, but there’s this interesting pattern where the less secure his power gets, the more likely a hamas attack is, which then pushes a regime change down the line.

      It’s also interesting how they use tactics that might kill current hamas but also kills a lot of innocents, which is fucked on its own but also ensures that others who don’t die will be more likely to join hamas and keep the conflict going.

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        No no no no…if you say blowing up kids and the elderly and stealing land is wrong, you are literally in the terrorist training camps screaming with a bandana on and stabbing rabbi dolls with bayonets. The Israeli narrative is so unhinged and bonkers now, they took a tragedy and made them the bad guys in handling it.

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          Their policy is to engage in massively more violence than anybody who attacks them. It’s not a crazy policy because a huge chunk of the Palestinians think that the existence of a draft in Israel means it’s morally acceptable to kill Israeli kids because they’ll be drafted in the future, so what’s left is to be so destructive that it deters future attacks.

          A negotiated two-state solution would be much better for all involved, but actually making that happen is going to require removing Hamas first, and there isn’t a nonviolent way to do that.

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            1 year ago

            So you think that blowing up hospitals and killing kids is a morally acceptable policy to seek revenge? To argue that possibly a lot of Palestinians might feel that killing civilians would be ok as reasoning they are blown up? You realize they are blowing up hostages, you don’t blow up buildings with your people in it if you care or want to rescue them…if you don’t care at all about human life you do that and are no better than Hamas.

            • silence7@slrpnk.netOP
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              1 year ago

              There is basically no way to conduct any kind of military operation in a dense urban area where people are stuck without those consequences. The Israelis don’t have the option of “no kids die” the only choice is “our kids or theirs.” I’m unsurprised that they chose “theirs”

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                1 year ago

                They have shown the world their basic belief in the value of life, and it’s not even up for debate actions speak and their excuses are hollow and foolish, and laughable. This will haunt Israel forever, they will never get past this until they leave Zionism just like the Germans abandoned their evil regime and ideology.

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                    1 year ago

                    Zionism isn’t a land, it’s an ideology that created their ingrained racist attitude that they are the master race “Chosen People” and it’s ok to mock Palestinian suffering and treat them and others as lesser things. It’s pretty gross, and the surveys of the people show this ideology or racism is rampant there.