The people who disagree probably can’t reconcile that who they consider the good guys can do very evil things. That’s in addition to those who actually consider Palestinians subhuman or worse.
This is Israel’s second genocide after the one in 1947.
In a related move, the platform’s editors recently voted to declare the Anti-Defamation League “generally unreliable” on the subject, adding it to their list of banned and partially banned sources.
ADL is now a banned source. Good move.
lmaooo
Someone should tell MBFC about this finding so they van adjust the report.
No they cant change it, those are arrived at by a completly objective scientific method and so there is no posibility of error or systematic bias.
Is this just for the English Wikipedia? What about the Hebrew list of genocides?
Yes but what is Wikipedia going to actually do about it? Just create another article? We should dismantle Wikipedia!
What do you expect Wikipedia to do exactly lol
The English speaking Wikipedia community is not the ICJ.
did you read the article?
British Wikipedian, Stuart Marshall, made the final ruling in September, decisively supporting the article’s inclusion. “Based on the strength of the arguments … and it’s not close … I discarded the argument that scholars haven’t reached a conclusion on whether the Gaza genocide is really taking place”, Marshall wrote in his decision. “The matter remains contested, but there’s a metric truckload of scholarly sources linked in this discussion that show a clear predominance of academics who say that it is.”
Marshall concluded his ruling with the straightforward statement: “We follow the scholars.”
On its “Gaza genocide” page, it states that “Experts, governments, United Nations agencies, and non-governmental organisations have accused Israel of carrying out a genocide against the Palestinian people during its invasion and bombing of the Gaza Strip in the ongoing Israel–Hamas war.”
And the German Wikipedia community sees it differently (differently = waiting for an official decision) and does not allow an article called “Gaza Genozid” until now…
The matter remains contested
That could also be the argument for calling the article “Genocide accusations” and waiting for the ICJ…
On its “Gaza genocide” page, it states that “Experts, governments, United Nations agencies, and non-governmental organisations have accused Israel of carrying out a genocide against the Palestinian people during its invasion and bombing of the Gaza Strip in the ongoing Israel–Hamas war.”
Compared to the previous 2 quotes, this is actually a fact: There are accusations.
PS: Just to make it clear: I am not the ICJ either. And I think, it’s fine to share it as an opinion (“I think, there is a genocide happening”), but referencing it as a fact (“The genocide is getting worse”) before it is actually classified as one by the people who are responsible to do so, is just not useful at all. I know, that especially people from the USA see this differently.
Germans are allowed to shove their fingers in their ears and go “lalalala I can’t hear you therefore it’s not genocide”. In fact, all of us are allowed to. It’s just that most of those who aren’t a cunt will choose not to. It seems Germans do not pass that particular filter.
I prefer to not throw words on something based on emotions.
There are usually 3 views on the internet:
- “It’s a genocide!!! I am sure.”
- “It’s not a genocide!!! I am sure.”
- “I was not a virologist during Corona and I’m not an expert on genocides right now, but others are. So, I’ll wait for the experts of ICJ to decide.”
Mine is Nr. 3! If you think, that Nr. 2 and Nr. 3 are the same, the problem is on your side.
The German wikipedia can make its own editorial decisions. They also don’t have a Rohingya genocide article, only an article about the Rohingya genocide case at the ICJ. The English Wikipedia has two articles. It would seems the crux of the matter being that the Germans treat the word genocide as a purely legal term and therefore wait for the ICJ decision, whereas the English treat the word as a topic on which a scholarly academic consensus can be pronounced, as well as via legal proceedings. One can argue back and forth about which approach has more or less merit, but they are both valid.
I agree that that’s probably the difference.
British Wikipedian, Stuart Marshall, made the final ruling in September, decisively supporting the article’s inclusion. “Based on the strength of the arguments … and it’s not close … I discarded the argument that scholars haven’t reached a conclusion on whether the Gaza genocide is really taking place”, Marshall wrote in his decision. “The matter remains contested, but there’s a metric truckload of scholarly sources linked in this discussion that show a clear predominance of academics who say that it is.”
“Stu, you can’t say metric fuckton”
It is what it is.
“I’m not publishing that.”
Fine! A metric truckton.
I didn’t actually realize that he didn’t say “metric fuckton” until I saw your comment and went back to reread it.
Title gore. What is this headline trying to communicate?
Wikipedia concludes that “there’s a metric truckload of scholarly sources” that confirm: Israel is clearly committing a Genocide in Gaza.
“Wikipedia concludes that Israel is committing genocide, thus ending an editorial debate”
Thank you, I read it over and over and thought I was going crazy.
Tbf I do think it qualifies as title gore and at the very least it is missing a comma before “ending”
Trying to imagine being the human who wrote that headline, sat back, and said “Yeah that’ll do!”
Because everyone knows if you say it’s not genocide, it’s not genocide. 🇨🇳🇮🇱🇷🇺🇺🇸
Hi. Did you read the article, by any chance?
Israel doesn’t think it’s genocide.
