Not everyday I’m on the fuck you got mine side of the argument
How?
To the “can’t enforce this because it can be circumvented” argument - this is missing the point of most laws. The intention is to apply to the majority, not to be foolproof. Getting most to stop a harmful behavior already gets us most of the benefits. We can never stop everyone.
This will never work. YouTube is a part of education now.
Of course one could also make the effort and instead force these platforms to provide actually useful parental supervision,guidance and parental information. But a blanked bann of course is far easier and much more catchy.
So the 14 year old that moved overseas/away can no longer legally play a game free for 6year and above in a private lobby. Neither can a 12 year old play with his divorced dad living out of state,even when they play a coop without any interaction with third parties.
All educational resources on YouTube? No longer available. Renowned youth programs from outside Australia? No longer available.
Even parents who let their kids use responsible to make sure they slowly adapt to social media are now criminalised. Getting your 13 year old a Facebook accounts have full control of so it can be member in two closed groups (local clubs) and chat with relatives? Nope,not possible.
Technically even using WhatsApp or Matrix can fall under this ban,btw.
Because it’s wording is so bad.
are you under 16
no
ok cool here’s a youtube short when an AI voice tells you an AI-written story over vaguely related stock footage
The planet is fucking melting and elected leaders are writing laws on herding cats
I’ve been using the internet for longer than I’ve been an adult.
I still sometimes add +10 years to date of birth fields out of habit.
Might as well have issued a mandate to nom a spoonful of sand daily.
We can’t fix global warming, let alone anything else, if the trend of alt-right radicalization of an entire generation continues — already a 30 point swing in just a decade, as evidence by this last election. It’s a global phenomenon. There is simply no reason why a child should be on YouTube or Instagram or TikTok. And btw, it’s extremely easy to enforce, because in Australia they’ll just fine the corporation for every infraction. Camera + ID = problem solved.
As an American I think the color key of that chart is designed to annoy me… Actually now that I look closer I am sure the whole thing is designed to piss me off. Why aren’t they using the same date ranges?
The charts seem to show the time span for each country where the opinions of men and women were fairly similar and how they’ve diverged since. Some countries started diverging more recently than others.
The radicalisation of young men stems from blaming them for being straight and white. It also stems from a dividing culture of men and women. This is the product of all of those “girls / boys” memes.
They grew up in a good, progressive world, where they understand sexualities and understand mental health. They grew up being taught that it’s okay to be diverse and that it’s okay to be as you are. But then it turns around and suddenly they’re all to blame for their race, or their orientation, things that they cannot prevent–Well, no wonder they’re going backwards. Once their favourite games and hobbies are infiltrated by wokeness and forcefulness, this is how they respond.
Should’ve realised that perhaps forcing social equity isn’t a good idea, and blaming young men and boys for the faults of society doesn’t gain their favour. Nah, instead let’s double-down even.
This is straight up standard right wing propaganda. A much simpler explanation is that the platforms are feeding people false realities for profit. Rage gets the most engagement. Right wing propaganda works extremely well for that and as an added benefit it produces cohorts who vote in the interest of the platform owners. It’s a twofer.
It actually goes both ways
Honestly, you kinda said it yourself. The whole “woke” phenomenon doesn’t exist in real life. It’s a purely online reactionary movement. The young men I work with have zero issues; they live their lives in peace. Then they get online and are told by the manosphere and red pill communities that everyone hates men and that being masculine is bad and all kinds of other UNTRUE crap that has nothing to do with reality.
I’m not saying young men aren’t struggling. They are, don’t get me started. I’m saying that the whole game of gender wars is happening exclusively online; it’s mostly imaginary; and it’s toxic as fuck.
I’ve experienced wokeness in real life. I was told by a woman that I hate Taylor Swift because of sexism.
No, I hate her because she’s an environmental hazard and bland. There is also a lot of mockery of lonely men, where their anxieties and fears are handwaved away
You also can’t say it isn’t present in real-life. Online interconnectivity is reality now.
There’s a big difference between a sexist defense of Taylor Swift by an ignorant fan (much as men might react to the news that red meat is carcinogenic), and the hyperbolic reactionary paranoia that everything about masculinity is under attack by a woke feminist Marxist mob, which is what Jordan Peterson claims.
Nope. The radicalization is a global phenomenon that started in 2016, coinciding perfectly with the rise of the online manosphere and red-pill movement.
It goes much more than that. It started as the rise of atheism, where impressionable young boys, wanting to be rebels discovered the dopamine rush of dunking on religious wackjobs like the Westboro Baptist Church. Not blaming atheism, just pointing out it started here.
It then extended further to video games and gamergate. Then they started getting political, which naturally led them down to 2016 and current times.
The point remains that the majority of them blamed wokeness
Sure, atheism was a big online movement in the 2010 era, but it was co-opted in 2015 by the “intellectual dark web,” from Sam Harris to Joe Rogan and the Weinstein fuckheads. That’s when things really started to get bad.
The atheist movement was already fizzling out after the death of Hitchens a few years earlier, and was then metastasizing into something ugly (as you said, video games, anti woke bullshit), until it was eventually subsumed by reactionaries like Jordan Peterson, who burst onto the scene with his crypto-Christian nonsense. Joe Rogan started to get more and more conspiretarded, and the rest is history.
Anyway, the YouTube alt-right pipeline is a well researched and documented phenomenon and when I have to spend all day arguing with 15 year olds about why Andrew Tate sucks, please take my word for it, they need to be kept off of social media. They’re too stupid and vulnerable.
I vomit in my mouth every time I see these dumbasses.
You can’t educate them or parent your own child? I don’t want to have my ID forced online just to engage in social media.
Camera + ID = zero privacy for anyone
is a child watching tom scott really a bad thing?
also if someone doesn’t want to provide service to Australia because they don’t want to handle IDs, how would you block Australians? ip bans won’t work because a child can use vpns, and if you want to verify by foreign ID for this then you still need ID checking
australia doing this makes it worse for everyone in the world
also a child could also just ask their parents to verify for them
Let’s research the effects of social media on teenagers before making up our minds. As for anonymity on public forums — maybe on unpopular websites, we can keep that up, but for the big ones where everyone congregates, we tried anonymous trolling for 20 years and, as a result, every democracy is dying. We can’t maintain civilization without shared space of public knowledge, and that has been severely degraded by trolls and foreign agitators.
root cause solution: outlaw advertising
advertising is what makes social media bad, because it creates an incentive system such that more traffic = more profits, and so companies are incentivised to create conflict (radicalise people) so they stay on the site more
Jordan Peterson was making 50k a month on Patreon when he flipped his shit in 2016. His videos were unmonetized. Similarly, creators are very vulnerable to audience capture.
If we get rid of advertising on YouTube they’d adopt a subscription model which would suffer the exact same fate.
I’m telling you, easiest thing is to keep kids out. There’s just no reason for kids to be on Instagram and for foreign agitators to be using social media pretending to be Americans.
Does this mean a rise in single player and couch-coop games? 🤩
Might I add: they also are finished day one with no massive 70gb patches to fix a slew of problems.
ksp 2 cyberpunk starfield
single player corporate games are still corporate games, removing the multiplayer aspect doesn’t remove the shittiness entirely
… Yeah, about that.
The vast majority of the industry kind of… forgot… how to do that.
Also basically every big name single player game requires an online account to work.
I’d would not expect either of those things to change.
Maybe Australian kids can learn how to emulate retro games?
Omg stop teasing
watch this space, australia is the testing ground for new services overseas
Amazing news, honestly. First ray of hope for the future of humanity I’ve seen for as long as I can remember. Ideologically, things have been spiraling out of control with the amount right wing and authoritarian misinformation.
Agreed. I’ve grown up with the development of the WWW and where we are today is completely different than where we used to be in the 90s and 2000s. The consolidation, universal access and the profit maximization via rage farming has put societies globally in an unprecedentedly precarious position. This isn’t your uncle’s Internet anymore. It’s a hyper-personalized engagement-maximizing corporate experience for all but a small fraction of people who were lucky enough to escape it. Anyone feeling I’m overreacting should spend an hour with their old account on Facebook.
Not amazing news if it means rolling out digital ID. say goodbye to anonymity.
Anonymity on social media is how we got here. You can have anonymity elsewhere on the web. Wanna post on instagram comments? You shouldn’t be anonymous.
So how exactly would you decide which platforms are allowed to be anonymous then?
Does it align with my opinion. If not, it’s misinformation.
Number of users is an obvious example. There are others.
So what happens when a platform grows and that threshold is reached one day? Force every to de-anonymize and potentially reveal sensitive information about themself or abandon their account?
There’s just no good way to force only some places to keep some places anonymous without running into problems.
While I believe in the right to online anonymity, I also don’t think that de-anonymization would even work, when I see the same garbage being posted in places that enforce real names. It just doesn’t seem like a detractor to those types of people.
Instead, I’d rather want to see harsher punishments for big sites failing to moderate their content. I’d also take a look at these personalized “recommendation” engine and maybe ban them altogether. (Bonus points if it also affects personalized ads.)
Try to come up with a reasonable process for transitioning between the thresholds or stop pretending you’re interested in anything but providing your point.
