• Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    One thing I’ve learned is that Kamela Harris needed to just play a PSA explaining why the hell a Tarrif is.

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      2 days ago

      Wouldn’t have helped. Learning isn’t what Americans do. Americans like finding things to be mad about and then making decisions based on their emotional responses.

      Can’t fix stupid without massively improving the public education system, and stupid Americans just elected the guys that ran on deconstructing the public education system.

      We’re done.

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        2 days ago

        Your first paragraph isn’t even an exaggeration. The worst part for me about being around conservative relatives and acquaintances is the negativity. They are addicted to anger and outrage and jealousy. They are always complaining about something or talking about things that other people have or how much money they make.

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          Yup.

          I’ve never met a conservative that argued in good faith, had actual solutions to problems, or had their priorities straight.

          It’s all about hate and fear. All about making up imaginary scenarios to be mad about to justify persecuting others.

          And now their dream team is in total control. There’s literally no future under these circumstances that ends well.

          We’re in for a long period of decline and it’s going to be rough. Especially on the younger crowd. But hey, they helped give this election to Republicans, so now they get to reap what they sow.

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      People wouldn’t listen, because they’ve been pre-programmed to believe Harris is a liar.

      What’s more, Harris wouldn’t say this, because it would require her to take a position favorable to global trade, a thing her target voter base hates.

      Pandering to conservatives wasn’t going to win her the election because she changed her rhetoric.

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      3 days ago

      The issue is you can’t teach someone who not only doesn’t want to learn, they react in opposition to the idea of understanding anything outside of emotional reactions.

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        3 days ago

        That’s where cult deprogramming comes into play. There are people who specialize in getting people out of that kind of mindset your argument describes. The rest of us need to do our part and educate, even if it doesn’t always have the impact we hope in the moment.

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          2 days ago

          There are people who specialize in getting people out of that kind of mindset your argument describes.

          We have enough of those people to do this for the majority of Americans?

          The rest of us need to do our part and educate

          I love your optimism. But it just won’t work. We now know the majority of Americans are ignorant and uninterested in learning, even from mistakes. You can present these people with facts and stats and infallible logic all day long and it won’t make a difference.

          We gleefully voted in a convicted felon and rapist who ALREADY had a failed presidency and openly talked about being anti-union and anti-worker rights who stated on national television that he had the concept of plans.

          The only direction this society is going is down.

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            We have enough of those people to do this for the majority of Americans?

            Only one way to find out.

            Pessimism may feel true, but just because something feels true doesn’t make it true.

            No one knows the future. But if we don’t learn from out mistakes, it’s likely we will keep making them.

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              But if we don’t learn from out mistakes

              We already haven’t.

              it’s likely we will keep making them.

              We already have.

              It isn’t just that we failed a test. We failed the most obvious test we could have possibly been given. This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes. And we utterfly failed.

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                2 days ago

                We already haven’t.

                It’s a week since election day.

                We already have.

                It’s a week since election day.

                This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes.

                This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes so far.

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                  It’s a week since election day.

                  You don’t understand. We ALREADY tried the Trump thing and it failed miserably. We aren’t even done living with the negative effects of that experience. We have one of the most poignant examples in history of what creeping fascism/authoritarianism can lead to. There are people still alive today that can tell us about it.

                  We don’t listen. We don’t learn.

                  This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes so far.

                  We’re doubtful to ever experience a more black and white election than what we just experienced. And we still managed to fail.

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                    You don’t understand. We ALREADY tried the Trump thing and it failed miserably.

                    I was there. I’m from the 20th century. I remember the videos of college students on our campus running around late at night like chickens with their heads cut off.

                    We don’t listen. We don’t learn.

                    We don’t with that attitude.

                    We’re doubtful to ever experience a more black and white election than what we just experienced. And we still managed to fail.

                    I would love to see the encounter table you’re referencing. Rather than assuming things are as bad as they could possibly be, they aren’t, I recommend using humor as a coping mechanism. The former, assuming things, plays into accelerationism which falsely, without evidence, claims there is some bottom to how bad things can get. The latter, humor, is enjoyable.