If anyone is in need of a more secure option in these dystopian times: drip keeps all your data on your phone. You can export the data, so you can keep the tracked data when changing phones. I only use it for tracking my cycle and sometimes symptoms though, so I can’t say much about using it for birth control.
Apple’s Cycle Tracking app is also locally and E2E encrypted in iCloud.
When your phone is locked with a passcode, Touch ID, or Face ID, all of your health and fitness data in the Health app, other than your Medical ID, is encrypted. Any health data synced to iCloud is encrypted both in transit and on our servers. And if you have a recent version of watchOS and iOS with the default two-factor authentication and a passcode, your health and activity data will be stored in a way that Apple can’t read it.
This means that when you use the Cycle Tracking feature and have enabled two-factor authentication, your health data synced to iCloud is encrypted end-to-end and Apple does not have the key to decrypt the data and therefore cannot read it.
Is the app and the OS open source? No? Then please shut the fuck up with your dangerous “advice”. People really still havent understood how this shit works. How is this being upvoted? Corporations do not deserve your trust when they claim things without proving them.
Apple is very clear how they make their money. Desirable products at high margins, free customer support, and an ecosystem that encourages the purchase of additional devices and services.
They also have been very clear about their commitment to privacy, and have consistently led the industry in customer-focused privacy software. It’s the primary reason many customers choose Apple over their competitors.
Realistically, why would Apple blow up a $3.3T global success for an extra $10M? That 1/330 of the company value. For comparison, Apple sells ~$54M in Apple Pencils every year.
Realistically, why would Apple blow up a $3.3T global success for an extra $10M? That 1/330 of the company value
Because they know that even after being caught harvesting user data for advertising, people will still claim they don’t do that even on a specialist privacy community on lemmy. Now think just how long it will take for the average apple user to realize it
Yes. There was an issue with iOS 14.1 that enabled personalized ads by default if you didn’t restore from a backup. I was working for Apple at that time. It wasn’t intentional or malicious, and a hotfix was implemented as soon as the bug was identified. The lawsuit was just. Apple fucked up.
What apple wants or doesnt want to do is completely irrelevant. The fact that they have the ability to remotely modify your device is a disqualifying factor for any rational person thinking about risk of life level privacy.
Also they can be legally forced to put backdoors into their software while, under the threat of state violence, being prohibited from telling the public about it. Thats how the US legal system works.
They can also be forced to put on a theater to make it look like they are not giving the feds access btw.
Correct, forced software updates i.e. remotely modifying your device. Also what makes you think they have no access to your data already? Do just trust them when they say “we promise uwu” ?
Also phones can be caught during shipping and modified, thats how the feds did it for one of their more recent big drug operations. Under Trump who fucking knows what justifications will be used to do the most vile shit.
Updates aren’t forced. You have the ability to enable automatic updates, but they are turned off by default. They also cannot affect user data. iOS and app software is sandboxed. The kernel keeps application and OS layers independent, just like Linux.
Apple users will experience the same thing that all other computer owners experience when they disable updates entirely; outdated security software and limited compatibility.
No. Apple claims updates aren’t forced. With proprietary software, we have no way to verify if they have some way of forcing an update through.
You have the ability to enable automatic updates, but they are turned off by default.
No. Apple claims that only the user can enable automatic updates. With proprietary software, we have no way to verify if Apple can enable them remotely.
Also, are you really going tell users to not update?
They also cannot affect user data. iOS and app software is sandboxed. The kernel keeps application and OS layers independent, just like Linux.
No. Apple claims that updates cannot affect user data. Again, with proprietary software, there is no way to truly verify.
Apple users will experience the same thing that all other computer owners experience when they disable updates entirely; outdated security software and limited compatibility.
Oh…so updates are good now, and we should update, even if it puts us at risk of something malicious?
You are taking Apple’s claims as truth and pretending they are good. They probably aren’t.
But, as someone else mentioned in the thread: The US government can force companies to spy for them. Even if Apple was as good as they market themselves to be, they cannot outrun the government.
Now, it’s not realistic to force everybody to switch away from iPhones. But, we should stop treating proprietary software as truly trustworthy with our data.
Brother in christ, how hard is this to understand.
Updates aren’t forced
How do you know? Have you checked the code that runs the updates? Just because the phone usually gives you the option to postpone regular updates doesnt mean that they cant be forced.
They also cannot affect user data.
What makes you believe that? Did you write the software that keeps it sandboxed?
Do people just believe anything that companies claim? If we could believe the things that companies claim, then the world would be a much nicer place but its not.
If its not proven, then its not the case as far as anyone should be concerned. Do we believe in religion now because the pope says that god is real?
And i havent even talked about code quality. Nobody can verify how well designed their software is. It could be a complete shitfest filled with old and insecure code that nobody does any auditing on.
Apple uses ML to place ads alongside relevant content. They provide no customer information to advertisers. They generate so much revenue by keeping a sizable 30% from the advertisers.
onlinepersona posts that on every comment they make. They’re licensing their comments under CC BY-SA-NC 4.0. Given the context of the conversation it may have sounded confusing.
Oh that guy posts that link in every post he makes because he trusts the data scraping companies and legal authorities to enforce it/make it a pain to ingest his data. When in reality he is a hypocrite as his sarcasm is stupid.
I mean, the app offers encryption of the data, so you’d have to enter a password. And you can encrypt your phone as well. If it gets to a point where you are forced to enter the password, a piece of paper in your drawer is probably not much safer.
It’s really beyond fucked up that this is something people have to think about.
If anyone is in need of a more secure option in these dystopian times: drip keeps all your data on your phone. You can export the data, so you can keep the tracked data when changing phones. I only use it for tracking my cycle and sometimes symptoms though, so I can’t say much about using it for birth control.
Apple’s Cycle Tracking app is also locally and E2E encrypted in iCloud.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/120356
Is the app and the OS open source? No? Then please shut the fuck up with your dangerous “advice”. People really still havent understood how this shit works. How is this being upvoted? Corporations do not deserve your trust when they claim things without proving them.
Apple is very clear how they make their money. Desirable products at high margins, free customer support, and an ecosystem that encourages the purchase of additional devices and services.
They also have been very clear about their commitment to privacy, and have consistently led the industry in customer-focused privacy software. It’s the primary reason many customers choose Apple over their competitors.
Realistically, why would Apple blow up a $3.3T global success for an extra $10M? That 1/330 of the company value. For comparison, Apple sells ~$54M in Apple Pencils every year.
“If you are paying, it doesn’t mean you are not the product”
- Cory Doctorow
Because they know that even after being caught harvesting user data for advertising, people will still claim they don’t do that even on a specialist privacy community on lemmy. Now think just how long it will take for the average apple user to realize it
Yes. There was an issue with iOS 14.1 that enabled personalized ads by default if you didn’t restore from a backup. I was working for Apple at that time. It wasn’t intentional or malicious, and a hotfix was implemented as soon as the bug was identified. The lawsuit was just. Apple fucked up.
What apple wants or doesnt want to do is completely irrelevant. The fact that they have the ability to remotely modify your device is a disqualifying factor for any rational person thinking about risk of life level privacy.
Also they can be legally forced to put backdoors into their software while, under the threat of state violence, being prohibited from telling the public about it. Thats how the US legal system works.
They can also be forced to put on a theater to make it look like they are not giving the feds access btw.
How can Apple remotely modify your device? Software updates? They have no access to your data.
Correct, forced software updates i.e. remotely modifying your device. Also what makes you think they have no access to your data already? Do just trust them when they say “we promise uwu” ?
Also phones can be caught during shipping and modified, thats how the feds did it for one of their more recent big drug operations. Under Trump who fucking knows what justifications will be used to do the most vile shit.
Updates aren’t forced. You have the ability to enable automatic updates, but they are turned off by default. They also cannot affect user data. iOS and app software is sandboxed. The kernel keeps application and OS layers independent, just like Linux.
Apple users will experience the same thing that all other computer owners experience when they disable updates entirely; outdated security software and limited compatibility.
No. Apple claims updates aren’t forced. With proprietary software, we have no way to verify if they have some way of forcing an update through.
No. Apple claims that only the user can enable automatic updates. With proprietary software, we have no way to verify if Apple can enable them remotely.
Also, are you really going tell users to not update?
No. Apple claims that updates cannot affect user data. Again, with proprietary software, there is no way to truly verify.
Oh…so updates are good now, and we should update, even if it puts us at risk of something malicious?
You are taking Apple’s claims as truth and pretending they are good. They probably aren’t.
But, as someone else mentioned in the thread: The US government can force companies to spy for them. Even if Apple was as good as they market themselves to be, they cannot outrun the government.
Now, it’s not realistic to force everybody to switch away from iPhones. But, we should stop treating proprietary software as truly trustworthy with our data.
Brother in christ, how hard is this to understand.
How do you know? Have you checked the code that runs the updates? Just because the phone usually gives you the option to postpone regular updates doesnt mean that they cant be forced.
What makes you believe that? Did you write the software that keeps it sandboxed?
Do people just believe anything that companies claim? If we could believe the things that companies claim, then the world would be a much nicer place but its not.
If its not proven, then its not the case as far as anyone should be concerned. Do we believe in religion now because the pope says that god is real?
And i havent even talked about code quality. Nobody can verify how well designed their software is. It could be a complete shitfest filled with old and insecure code that nobody does any auditing on.
Sure. It’s encrypted. And your private only stays on your device. Pinky swear.
With our 10 billion $ in ad revenue, you can trust that your data never makes it to a third party unencrypted 😚
Anti Commercial-AI license
“If you are paying, it doesn’t mean you are not the product”
- Cory Doctorow
Apple uses ML to place ads alongside relevant content. They provide no customer information to advertisers. They generate so much revenue by keeping a sizable 30% from the advertisers.
https://support.apple.com/guide/news-publisher/earn-revenue-with-advertising-on-apple-news-apdd44eeeeeb/icloud
https://support.apple.com/guide/adguide/generate-revenue-apd51c721ca9/icloud
onlinepersona posts that on every comment they make. They’re licensing their comments under CC BY-SA-NC 4.0. Given the context of the conversation it may have sounded confusing.
I too trust every word apple says.
Anti Commercial-AI license
That’s the second time you posted that. What does it have to do with Apple’s privacy?
Oh that guy posts that link in every post he makes because he trusts the data scraping companies and legal authorities to enforce it/make it a pain to ingest his data. When in reality he is a hypocrite as his sarcasm is stupid.
Best to write your data down. Do not put on device or online.
I mean, the app offers encryption of the data, so you’d have to enter a password. And you can encrypt your phone as well. If it gets to a point where you are forced to enter the password, a piece of paper in your drawer is probably not much safer.
It’s really beyond fucked up that this is something people have to think about.