Hey, I wanted to ask someone who has probably more knowledge than me about it - what’s the difference about these two services? I know Mastodon has ActivityPub, so it works with Lemmy, and BlueSky has it’s own kind of federation, but does it even has anything to federate to?
I’m asking not which one is better, I’m searching logical argument for one or other. I’m obviously more leaning toward Mastodon since I’m here, but I wanted to give my friend, who is thinking about joining, some real arguments.
BlueSky is mastodon where the main instance has ads and a marketing team. Otherwise really similar.
This sums it up
Bluesky is the Microsoft Word of social media, which I mean in the derogatory sense, as the fediverse is the LaTeX of social media, which I also mean in the derogatory sense
Now I’m afraid to try and find bluesky meme communities. If it’s winword, any image must throw the whole thing into utter madness.
Bluesky is the first app built on the ATProtocol, its protocol for federation, sort of like how Mastodon was among the first to use ActivityPub after the overcomplexity of OStatus. The ATProtocol is a few years younger than ActivityPub, so its landscape isn’t fleshed out yet. Currently Bluesky caters more towards creators, artists, and social togetherness, whereas ActivityPub tends to lean harder into attracting techies. Both protocols can be run as independent instances, but most people are still using bsky.social for now until more instances pop up and federate together. The process for hosting a Bluesky instance is still undergoing development, but all features of it have been opened up. There exist multiple bridge systems that can interweave ActivityPub with ATProto.
https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds
https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/entries/Notes on Running a Full-Network atproto Relay (July 2024)
Is ATProtocol as open as ActivityPub in terms of content? Could there be a Bluesky equivalent of Peertube, for example?
Yes, assuming video content is stored across decentralized PDS instances
Bluesky isn’t federated (another privately owned monolith that’s promised it’s coming Soon™) and recently got funding from a company with “blockchain” in its name (and there’s already rumors that despite claims otherwise, ads will be showing up in the next year or so)
that being said, Bluesky does offer much better blocking, muting, and moderation options than Mastodon (Mastodon devs have been digging in their heels) as well as better on-boarding and curated follow lists
Search and discovery are a big deal. It’s much less effort to find people and content, and to be found on Bluesky than on Mastodon/ActivityPub. It takes work on Mastodon, and I don’t think Pleroma, Misskey, and their forks are doing much better (though I believe Akkoma has a decent search function).
This is, in part because there is a very vocal contingent of ActivityPub users who do not want working search and discovery. I think that’s equivalent to saying they don’t want the network to gain mainstream popularity.
It does look like it’s possible to independently host all the components of the ATProto network now, so I’m hoping we’ll see a bunch of services pop up soon such that the network becomes more resistant to enshittification. I’ve seen Whitewind and Frontpage, but I don’t fully understand the federation model and haven’t been able to cause one to display posts from another.
Wtf? Not being able to find shit that I saw a few days ago on Lemmy drives me nuts. It’s not like I remember which community on which instance I saw it. Why would we not want good search?
I’m not going to make a very good case for a position I consider terribly misguided, but in short it’s because trolls on other platforms search for terms related to people they want to harass.
Some people have also raised objections centered around privacy or consent to process data. I find that misguided too; ActivityPub is radically public in that it sends every action to a bunch of other peoples’ computers, and there’s no explicit consent to do any of the other stuff a server might do with posts.
Of course any server owner can just
select * from statuses where text like '%search string%'.
Bluesky if you’re at all a normy, Mastodon if all you care about it Linux, News, and pedantry.
Bluesky is cool and trendy. Mastodon isn’t.
Bluesky is easy on the beginner and mimics X as a whole world in your single feed. Mastodon (fediverse) carry way to much technical concepts to understand and get the most out of it.
What do you need to understand about the technical concepts? Join an instance (mastodon.social if you have no reason to select another one), post and follow.
That’s where the first question woul pop up. Which instance to choose? What to consider when choosing? That’s where the first less technically inclined will already abort.
Just pick any, it doesn’t matter
That question would start a very long post. Let’s keep it simple:
- you may never find your communities again (hashtag ? what is that ? why should I hashtag to make it searchable and make it stick…)
- your posts may never reach your friends, or general audience (defederation, admin instance ban…)
- the global timeline is not a global timeline as in X or Bsky, or Insta or any other social media, just what your instance admin and federation relatations “agreed” to show you …
Why do you need to understand any of that? Now, none of it is wrong - but it’s not something anyone signing up at a Mastodon instance absolute must know about to use the system and have a good troll-free social network experience.
On the contrary. Maybe those are exactly the things needed to avoid becoming Xitter. Bluesky is rapidly becoming another instance of the hellhole at this very moment.
I agree on the unfortunate and predictable bluesky’s future. Corporate, politics, ads… Avoiding to become “Xitter” should not rely on end users computer knowledge, technical abilities, geeky mindset. I think you understand that too: KISS is a huge success factor. That’s just my 2cts.
The difference is one is where people will continue going, the other is where people will continue crying because people won’t go.
Bluesky is the enshitification continuing. Sort of Mastodon on a single, godlike instance which they control…
Well by all accounts it sounds fine now as its own community. The problems of everything riding on one main instance/set of maintainers would be a problem in the future.
Things have not always gone well on the Fediverse and Lemmy, but we have been able to get through these problems thanks to the safeguards of federation and open source. E.g. Feddit.de broke and the original owner was nowhere to be found, but feddit.org was able to succeed it.
Mastodon has more pedophiles, idk something like that
