Remember folks you are paying your enemy to fuck you…
then do pika face…
maybe learn the lesson: corpo is your enemy, don’t pay them UNLESS THEY EARNED IT.
these slop cloud services are really stepping out of line and there is a solution that’s better anyway.
That’s ridiculous.
They only fucked with people that didn’t pay them and pirated their apps.
They only fucked with people that didn’t pay them and pirated their apps.
I trust you bro. Either way spotify has been enshitifying either way like the rest of them.
I’m talking about the article.
i trust that bro?
I was referring to the fact that you are discussing completely unrelated stuff like it was related.
you been playing a lot of cyberpunk, choom?
never got into it tbh… but i am aligned on the thesis!
Hah you were just using some of the game’s lingo
i played enough haha
This is why 20 years ago we had CDs and ripped them to hard drives. Steaming is a sham when you pay continually for access.
TIL: 20 years ago was just yesterday. Go buy CDs! They still make them!
Of course, but it’s worth pointing out that PCs phased out the addition of ROM drives, which allowed the layperson to rip their content. Naturally, this allowed Apple and ilk to introduce streaming access, as though it was a fucking boon. No CD/DVD-Rom, no ports, just an enshittified processor, display, and a cloud. Because THAT’S WHAT WE ARE TELLING YOU YOU WANT.
My newer laptop doesn’t have a CD drive and I never once felt the need to use it. Why do so if an external SSD fits multiple times more data, takes up less space and is rewriteable?
My whole music library is local and DRMless. I find CDs highly impractical in the age of cheap high-capacity storage. I would rip them anyway, as using normal copies is just far more convenient, after which they’d need to either waste space, be resold or be thrown out. If I were insistent on paying and there was no DRMless option, I’d rather buy a DRMed copy corresponding to the one I downloaded.
CDs were sooo much more expensive than streaming. I would spend $12 to $18 per CD in early 2000’s dollars and buy multiple CDs per month.
This feels like trying to explain forests to someone who only wants to tell me about their favorite tree.
I get how the technology has changed. As an elder millennial, my entire life has been a constant shift of technology. From analog to digital, and back again- from betamax to DVDs, from 8 tracks to tapes to pocket rockers to mini discs to ipods. And including resurgences as people “discovered” the benefits of vinyl.
My point is that this new paradigm has shifted ownership of what we pay for away from consumers, to give gatekeeping power to corporate entities that can shut down, or shut off access, on a whim. And what’s the ROI? Increasing access costs without ownership is just a more expensive lease.
I am simply arguing that physical media puts consumers in a greater position of control over the property they have paid for than streaming. And I am intimating that it’s by design that technology “leaders” have moved away from allowing people to OWN what they buy.
It’s much cheaper if you have a varied taste though.
lol, ok. You do realize that if you OWN your media you can just hand over a thumbdrive or send the files directly to a friend? CDs are also cheap to burn. You can build an entire library for the cost of a couple months’ streaming access.
You are parroting marketing and those words are hollow.
Sure you could do all that but that depends on your friends having the same music taste and also seems like a pain over just paying a few bucks. Ripping CDs is also pretty damn annoying.
I currently have 6728 liked songs on Spotify. Assuming the average album is around 11 songs per album that would be slightly more than 611 albums. CD albums seem to cost anywhere between 100 and 300 kr, so lets say they cost 150 kr.
150 kr * 611 = 91 650 kr.
Spotify Premium is 116 kr per month.
91 650 / 116 ≈ 770.
770 / 12 ≈ 64 years.Could I get many of those albums used? Yeah probably.
Could I borrow a few disks from friends? Yeah maybe.
Could I even find all the albums in my country? No, I would have to. import some of the more niche ones.
Could I pirate them? Yeah, sure but that would be very very time consuming and illegal (not that I care about the last part) and we aren’t discussing piracy anyways.With all that in mind lets just half the amount of years (fairly generously). It’s still a long ass time and the time and monetary invesment it would take to procure all these disks would be that it would very high. My time is also worth something and doing that seems like a gigantic waste of time I could be spending actually listening to music.
I don’t give a jack shit if I don’t own the media afterwards. I’m paying for a service and I get a service. I don’t see the problem.
If you don’t think it’s worthwhile to you then just don’t use it.
You are parroting Lemmy nonsense and those words are hollow.
P.S. If I am gonna burn CDs why not just pirate.
I would find having all my music on streaming EXTREMELY inconvenient. Not only can you lose access to some of it, not only are you paying continuously, but you’re also locked to a specific player for this all. I do use streaming, but only for discovering new tracks. I do have a bigger collection on streaming - the tracks I like but not particularly so - but the main collection is just more convenient to have locally. I didn’t download it all at once so no inconvenience here - just download a song as soon as I realize I like it enough.
Also even if I could afford to pay for my media, I’d rather buy digital DRMed downloads rather than CDs if DRMless aren’t available. Not to actually use, but to correspond to the copy I do use. Specifically because it’s indeed impractical, can be hard to get and and will be ripped anyway.
people on the sidelines who just downloaded 20 albums from SoulSeek
“You guys should argue more”
I ain’t the fuckface whisperer.
I pay to continually rip music from them, best of both worlds.
You wouldn’t be able to point me in the direction to learn about such things, would you?
I’m still able to use spotube without a plan, and no ads.
Spotube shows Spotify playlists but uses YouTube music for streaming.
Funny how that works.
And I can download the songs, too.
A big middle finger to both of them.
In all fairness, I wouldn’t even pirate YouTube music. Recommendations are shit
Can still use Spicetify on desktop?
lol goodluck
Still working on my end, but don’t know for how long, if they kill it, it might be the time I pass to tidal or say fuck it and just start using again my old mp3 player app
I think they are fine with that since you presumably don’t pay then anyways. You just cost them money.
And I’m perfectly fine costing them money, I would pay, were they not enshittifying music streaming and paying peanuts to the artists.
Actually, I might try and find a new patch if they block this one to keep costing them money out of spite.
Yeah, sure free is nice. But complaining about it imo comes across as pretty selfish.
