It isn’t that Joe is short for something coffee related, it’s that it’s short for Joseph, whereas James is just short for James
Afaik, like you said, joe as in coffee doesn’t have a confirmed etymology. I tend to think the jamoke origin is most likely, though I’ve known a few Navy vets of the era claim up and down that that’s the origin that’s true (the Josephus Daniels alcohol ban story). I sure wouldn’t disagree that that’s where they ran into the term, but it isn’t definitive either.
What is Joe short for (in the coffee sense) in your mind? I know there’s a few theories, and the jamoke one seems the most plausible to me.
It isn’t that Joe is short for something coffee related, it’s that it’s short for Joseph, whereas James is just short for James
Afaik, like you said, joe as in coffee doesn’t have a confirmed etymology. I tend to think the jamoke origin is most likely, though I’ve known a few Navy vets of the era claim up and down that that’s the origin that’s true (the Josephus Daniels alcohol ban story). I sure wouldn’t disagree that that’s where they ran into the term, but it isn’t definitive either.