I only watch free tube in 12k.
A raspberry pi 5 can play YouTube in HD just fine, so if you wanna save 4000 bucks maybe do that instead
You can also just buy a used laptop or business computer which is infinitely better and cheaper.
Cheaper than a raspberry? O.o
Pi 5 desktop kit is like $150 isn’t it?
Yeah you can beat that performance and price with some used hardware. Will cost more in power though.
You could get away with nothing but the Pi, depending on what you’ve got lying around.
Sure, depends on needs of course. Just saying I can see how someone could arrive at a better price point than a pi with more performance.
Just not more per watt (except in more burst demanding scenarios).
The pi foundation lost a lot of goodwill with me though, so I stick to the alternatives (orangepi for example) if I need one.
Edit: I a whole word.
oh man, I tried an orangepi and I cannot express how sketchy that thing was, top to bottom. It had a lot of power but that is the one good side it had (it was a lot more expensive than a rpi too). That shitty flashing utility alone make it worth picking something different.
I had so much trouble trying different OSes on it. I think actually none of them felt stable and I tried like 5 (multiple versions of each) I think.
Ive got very specific needs when it comes to pi-alikes, so I can only speak to how ive used it.
I still won’t support the pi foundation though.
Used stuff is generally cheaper than new stuff.
Yeah, but I wouldn’t be sure used stuff below 100€/$/whatever could handle the internet too well, nowadays.
Anything made in the past 10-15 years still works great, I have a couple of really old thin clients that I bought for around $20 and dumped my pis when the prices were way up. One runs octoprint and the other one runs Lubuntu out in the garage so I can look up vehicle specs and other things while I’m out there. I have a fifth Gen Intel laptop that still works great. I have a desktop with a Ryzen 3000 series that works just fine both bought used for under $100. Raspberry pi is good for certain tasks, but using it for a desktop makes little sense. Even now I’m working this message on an Android phone that was around $100 with no issues.
CPU power hasn’t changed much, they’ve added more features over the years, but power hasn’t changed a lot, only Windows has gotten more bloated so you need more ram to run it.
Yeah what i did is i got one of those dell thin client laptops. It runs great. I just open up parsec and can remote in to my server that has an i9 and 256gb ram with a 4090 and like 100tb hdd and 4tb nvme
You’re right
If there were not for youtube shitty war on adblocks I was able to watch youtube 1080p on a 30 bucks android tv thingy.
I would have to check is someone built an alternative app to keep watching it because power of the device was no issue. When running on a minimal kodi installation it just worked fine.
That was the joke.
I mean, yeah, I realize it was the joke. I think I was just adding context some people may not know about. I didn’t know a rpi could do that task until I started researching media PC options.
I wanted to go with a pi for my HTPC but I have a Plex server and all my movies are full bitrate 4k files straight from the UHD blurays and the pi couldn’t handle that bitrate. Ended up building a small ITX PC with my old PC hardware and a new Intel A380 gpu.
I’m so thankful intel is doing their best to enter the discreet GPU market. Such banger cards for so little.
Just buy used PC. Same perf, lower price.
Core i9 - Well there’s your problem.
No NVMe M.2s? What a noob! HDDs in this day and age!?!? Would you like a floppy disk with that?
4 slots of RAM? What is this, children’s playtime hour? You are only supposed to have 2 slots of RAM installed for optimum overclocking.
Does the dude even 8K 300fps ray trace antialias his YouTube videos!?!? I bet he caps out his Chrome tabs below a thousand.
NVMe uses SSDs as well as flash memory. NVMe is just the protocol.
Although joking, I do tend to assume that people who say SSD refer to the traditional SATA SSD drives and not M.2.
I didn’t get a thing, but sounds cool
YouTube is usually the first thing I open on first boot of a new machine. That way I know if the sound is working, network is working and video drivers are ok all at once.
Got a new system and I’m playing diablo 2 and balatro on it…
That 4x animation speed is worth it.
YouTube says you’re a bot.
Time to watch PeerTube.
Is 256gb RAM enough for YouTube?
I upgraded to a new GPU a few weeks ago but all I’ve been doing is playing Factorio which would run just fine on 15 year old hardware.
That’s the spirit!
You can upgrade to satisfactory now! Its like factorio all growed up!
A 4090 is pretty great for playing Skyrim at 60 FPS, I’ll have you know.
I need a new CPU… that new Marvel game has shown me two things
- Western Developers still have open contempt for the concept of Optimization
- I’ve upgraded EVERYTHING over the years… except for my CPU
He heck is HHD+? Is this some new fangled storage tech I’m too SSD to understand?
Change that last to “Time to play some 8bit games upscaled to 4K”
“finally upgraded my steam deck to 1TB” plays Vampire Survivor
HHD+
Horny hard disk. Incidentally it’s infinitely better than HDD.
What, the Horny Droopy Dick?
When I used to be interested in hardware I would buy it with half of the top of the line money, the rest invest it in some fund and then buy an upgrade in two years with that investment. Or at least that used to be the case when GPU and all the components had a tendency to become a fancy vintage museums after 2 years. You would be laughed at if you said something about future proofing.
I miss that.
I’m all for doing this, but I’m not particularly interested in compiling kernel modules to make my base hardware work, which is why I used VMware until June when my iMac died. This worked for me for 15 years. My Mac had 64 GB of RAM and was plenty fast to run my main Debian desktop inside a VM with several other VMs doing duty as Docker hosts, client test environments, research environments and plenty more.
Now I’m trying to figure out which bare bones modern hardware I can buy in Australia that will run Debian out of the box with no surprises.
I’ve started investigating EC2 instances, but the desktop UI experience seems pretty crap.
Pretty much anything… I haven’t compiled a kernel module in quite a few years on any Debian system, and thats basically all I run. Was 15 years ago the last time you tried installing Linux on bare metal? Because things have definitely changed since 2009.
If you want to avoid GPU hassles, go with Intel or AMD. Everything will autodetect.
Edit: Why are people being weird and downvoting them? They have perfectly valid concerns from their experiences. No need to be antagonistic because they had a couple of unpleasant experiences.
Also avoid Broadcom BCM43602 WiFi at all cost.
To be fair, I’d just recommend avoiding WiFi in general.
Intel WiFi would be on my recommended list, or anything atheros. I can’t understand self-hosting over WiFi though.
I’ve installed Debian on several bits of bare metal hardware since, Raspberry pi, suddenly doesn’t detect the usb wifi dongle that worked in the previous release. Or the hours trying to get an extended Mac USB keyboard to work properly.
Supermicro servers that didn’t support the on board video card in VGA mode (for a text console).
Then there was a solid-state “terminal” device which didn’t have support for the onboard ethernet controller.
It’s not been without challenge, hence my reluctance. I moved to VMware to stabilise the experience and it was the best decision I’ve ever made, other than standardizing on Debian.
I note that I’ve been installing Debian for a while. This is me in 2000:
Now thats a message that makes me miss my pizza box (and my DEC space heater).
Choosing a Mac keyboard I’m unsurprised you had to put in some extra work. The supermicro is odd, unless you got that one board some years back - I think it was an x9dri? - which was all kinds of finicky, even with VMware where I had to disable some power management features or it broke USB.
Pretty much any standard hardware will do. I’d also mention you dont really need server grade hardware at this point, a cluster of desktop grade will outperform for the price (unless you’ve got heavy and sustained loads, different story there, but that’s not the majority of self hosters).
I’m running proxmox nodes on tiny/mini/micros for the most part, where all my self hosting happens, a couple ryzen machines with arch or Debian, an OL box for some work stuff, etc. Less power use with T/M/M than my server grade hardware (which I still have sometimes for work stuff and testing), and performance with my cluster is on par or better IMO.
I miss my SPARC, it had to be given away when I started travelling around Australia for five years. The last IBM ThinkPad replaced it, anyone remember recompiling kernels to support the PATA/SATA driver so you could boot the thing? I never did get all the onboard hardware to work and one day someone in the Debian X11 team decided that using multiple monitors as a single desktop wasn’t required any longer.
I bought a 17” MacBook Pro and installed VMware on it, never looked back.
I take your point on not needing server hardware. The proxmox cluster was a gift on the way to landfill when my iMac died. I’m using it to figure out which platform to migrate to after Broadcom bought VMware.
I think it would be irresponsible to go back to it in light of the developments since the purchase.
I think it would be irresponsible to go back to it in light of the developments since the purchase.
Absolutely agree. I’m actually shifting client hardware over from VMWare, last one is slated for end of Jan actually.
Laptops I’d say are more problematic because the hardware choices are usually less standard stuff and more whatever cheap bits they can shove in, I think the worst recent issue though with a (lenovo) thinkpad was brightness controls not working. So I used ahkx11, AFAIK no Wayland support yet, but that’s fine for the like 8 or 9 year old laptop its on (now my wife’s laptop).
I have a tendency to stick to the CLI for… Just about everything tbh, but regarding the shutdown bit, startup order and delay is the reverse for the shutdown process, no scripting needed if your issue is just proper sequencing.
And I get it, a bunch of my hardware has been getting decommissioned hardware one way or the other! I just mostly take home the little desktops most buy these days (can’t wait to get a couple of the slightly fat ones for my rack, those little guys are monsters).
