I’m too lazy to maintain an Arch install, so it’s Mint for me. Long live Mint unironically.
Mint is one of the best versions of Ubuntu you could possibly use. They give you Ubuntu without all the forced snaps and other crap.
Mint > literally all OS, Mobile or PC.
I don’t use Arch because I don’t trust the AUR. I run ubuntu based distros on my desktop and servers for better compatibility with software and then use Fedora based software on my laptop and media center.
s/HERE/HEAR/g
No FLOSS loving Linux user is dead to me, not even the GNOME project team, and frankly I suspect it’s noobies and non-users pushing these memes lately.
I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever actually received or witnessed the hate that the memes espouse as the norm in the Linux community. I’ve seen some “oh really, I had trouble with that so I use blank instead” or maybe even “you should try blank” (mostly when people ask though). I think most of us are too busy hating Windows to really truly hate other linux distros. We have our favorites and we will happily share that with anyone that asks, and many that don’t.
I’ve tried to stop talking about it all the time to friends and family as I don’t want to scare them off, but I am just using it everyday in front of them and showing them that I don’t have infinitely more problems than they do… Hoping it just seeps in via osmosis and at some point one too many “hey, you should buy a new computer, windows 10 is going end of life soon you know” pop-ups will set off that magical chain reaction.
I met a friend of a friend at an event and somehow PCs and Linux came up. He asked if I’m a Linux user (which I like to think you can’t immediately tell). I assume to build some nerd cred. I said “yeah, I technically have Linux with me right now”. He asked what I meant, so I pulled out the Steam Deck. He was unfamiliar and I briefly explained.
When he heard it’s a commercial product (obviously), he actually pretended to faint. And then kept acting as if I had personally insulted him, not in a joking way. I had clearly failed the purity test in that moment.
It was a strange experience. Not even in hackerspaces I’d ever had a conversation like that. So these people are rare but they do exist.
honestly if I heard someone say “I technically have linux with me right now” I would expect them to pull out an Android phone and say that Android is based on the Linux kernel (it is, its just not what anyone means when they say ‘linux’, its a pretty good example of how ‘linux’ refers to the OS and not the kernel)
Yeah fair. I expected to chat about how Linux could displace Windows on Desktop, to which SteamOS and Proton on an x86 chip is a lot more relevant than Android.
Steam Deck is one of them best things ever created. It is a great way to market Linux to masses, this is the same way Windows gained its market cap. Windows made its dominance by being the default operating system for most PCs, normal users don’t know how to install operating systems, and probably don’t even know Linux exists.
Yeah. That kind of attitude is missing the forest for the trees. Open source gets better the more people use it, including the vast majority of casual users who don’t know or care about the GPL. Pretending that’s a problem is just gatekeeping to feel special and stroke your own ego.
Absolutely wild. Pretending to faint because a company sells hardware running on Linux? I feel like most of us want to be able to buy more computers that don’t just automatically come with Windows… That person sucks.
Exactly, that or trolls & saboteurs
I’m never going to feel fully satisfied using an OS that has an official ‘pro’ version.
Oh come on at some point, every software project or foundation needs to cover their expenses somehow or else they enshittify or cease to exist/get acquired by a dangerous, moneyed conglomerate. It’s known as the going concern principle.
Out of all of the projects that I can think of in recent memory that started as big open source useful things, only VLC Media Player managed to avoid turning into garbage, and it’s because the lead developer is a saint.
You can avoid Ubuntu because they have a paid plan and that’s your prerogative, but imagine they got bought out by Apple or something.
I know a lot of people are fine with a paid plan, I’ve just seen what has happened to some projects like Fusion 360 where they slowly take away more and more features from the free version, slowly decrease support, and all new features go to the pro version. I would be surprised if this happens to ubuntu, but I don’t want to take that chance.
You’re acting like there isn’t another option. I could just go use Arch with KDE Plasma or something instead, or maybe Fedora which is at least somewhat separated from the ‘pro version’ (red hat)
Out of all of the projects that I can think of in recent memory that started as big open source useful things, only VLC Media Player managed to avoid turning into garbage, and it’s because the lead developer is a saint.
the Linux Kernel, Blender, Godot, Lemmy are some examples that come to mind, or maybe I’m just not understanding what you’re trying to say here
That’s fair!
I love it. This made me laugh.
But, as this month’s chair of the of the Linux User Group for Letting Everyone Know We Hate Snaps (LUG LEKWHS), I want to clarify that we don’t have a problem with Ubuntu users.
It’s Canonical we have a beef with.
Meh, I mean, Arch includes non-free software as well, so as a Trisquel user, you are all dead to me.
Linux distros are just the new “101 flavors of Protestantism,” complete with radical zealots who believe you will go to Hell for choosing the wrong one.
Does that mean Windows is Catholicism?
Perhaps. But if that’s the case, then I’m pretty sure that makes Mac OS Eastern Orthodox.
What oddball OS would be Ethiopian Orthodox?
Unix.
Not enough sex scandals
But you will go to hell though
Going to hell is unrelated to our flavor of Linux
Aren’t you in tutorial-hell ?
As an Arch user, both Debian and Pop_OS are better choices than Ubuntu
Don’t forget Mint.
Imo Debian with Cinnamon is better, it may require a tad bit more effort to set up but its more stable
That’s fair. Personally, I use Debian for my little home server, but it’s not a desktop OS for me.
Nice thing about linux is we don’t have to agree. We’re free to use whatever we want.
You would be genuenly suprised how good of a desktop OS it is, granted the packaged are old but keep in mind you can use repo packages for stability and flatpak for up to date software
I’m sure it’s perfecly fine as a desktop OS. It’s just not for me. I prefer more up to date software, so I recommend Mint to anyone asking, but use Endeavour (Arch, BTW) myself. I finally understand why people are always singing the praises of the AUR.
Also, if I’m going to lean into Flatpak as a packaging system, I’m gonna use it as an excuse to properly try an immutable system and see how I get along with it.
Now, all of this is purely my own opinion. Other people can use and like what suits them. I’m not trying to gatekeep or be an elitist. I’m an absolute noob myself.
Honestly thats fair, im referring to people who dont need up to date software :3
(I dont use Debian, I use Arch btw)
In that case, I’d still recommend Mint or Mint Debian Edition unless the person knows what they want. Then Debian would be absolutely fine.
As an Ubuntu user, I would never say “Long live Ubuntu”.
I use both Mint and Archbang. I’m half-dead to myself.
Long live Proxmox.
As long as it follows Unix conventions it is the correct way to computer
MacOS!
It gets a pass
I would never use MacOS myself but I get the ‘it just works’ aspect and the crazy energy efficiency of Apple’s hardware, also some tech youtubers I respect like Jeff Geerling and JDH use it
Now, iOS on the other hand… (I was seeing if a family member’s ipad would work as a drawing tablet for Blender recently using the Moonlight app (which actually supports pressure sensitivity btw), but USB streaming doesn’t work because apple ties that to its hotspot and therefore having cellular, and the 3rd party apps are all removed from the app store, its just so stupid that I have the ipad and the cable and yet I can only transfer data over wifi)
the crazy energy efficiency of Apple’s hardware
This is just ARM, Windows and Linux see similar results on it
they still have the lead, here are some screenshots from notebookcheck
Arch is nice, I use it on my laptop, but desktop / daily driver is Debian.
It’s so nice having a stable OS to fall back to on for those rare occasions where
I screw something up on my arch laptopmy arch laptop magically borks itself (How did that happen? Who could have done this?).
No love for Debian, yet again
Ubuntu is Debian
Ummmm aktually…
Ok ok there’s different stuff and things
me as an arch user when I have to use ubuntu for work: arthur-fist-clench.gif
Pop_OS is what I may stick to. It’s fantastic.
