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(sheer insanity has just been described in detail)
BBC Presenter (nods thoughtfully, shifts some papers)
“Alright, thanks. That was Charles Manson there, live from Narnia.”BBC Presenter (split-second later, brightly)
“And now an endangered frog species sees a new life on Mars! Our nature correspondent Jethro Tull with the latest…”Alright new atrocity from Israel just dropped, who should we blame:
The fascists running Israelthe fascists running the USthe democratic party who teed up the atrocity- a couple hundred leftists on lemmy who didn’t vote
If you expected them to be surprised then you clearly haven’t been paying attention to Trump’s statements before now.
And what ethnicity are they talking about, because as far as I can tell there isn’t any special ethnic group living in gaza.
You’re right of course. There is nothing special about Palestinians, they are an ethnic group just like all the others.
BUT WHAT ABOUT GENOCIDE JOE!?! KAMALA IS BAD! TRUNP WILL FIX EVERYTHING!
/s
This kind of take is a tired meme at this point.
No one said this.
You can literally browse my comment history and see that many many people said this to me.
No, they didn’t. If it’s that easy, provide a link.
Wat? Pretty much everybody said this.
Who on Lemmy was saying, “Trump will fix everything?” Where?
Meanwhile 🦗🦗🦗🦗 from the genocide Joe caucus.
Do you not think Biden was instrumental in setting this up?
I’m not sure the incessant chorus of 'I told you so’s is really helping the cause.
Personally, I’m watching the dumpster fire from up on your hat, without any option to participate in your elections either way, but it’s still getting pretty grating. Surely, there’s a better strategy.
I’m not sure the incessant chorus of 'I told you so’s is really helping the cause.
I’ve heard so much MSNBC bigotry in the last month.
“Palestinians cost us the election!”
“Trans people cost us the election!”
“Hispanics cost us the election!”
“Everyone under 40 cost us the election!”
This is typically followed by some sickeningly smug “I hope they enjoy what they get” from the most vile and repulsive insider slime the party has to offer. And now Dem Leadership is just throwing up its hands, insisting Trump’s just a dictator now and there’s nothing any of them can do.
Hell, the fucking CIA - the agency that exists to topple foreign governments - seems equally indolent and feckless. So, idk. Maybe saying “I told you so” isn’t impacting the cause one way or another.
he only said this to distract from what Elmo is doing right now… the classified computers he’s taken over…
the fact that they’ve already begun reprogramming the treasury computer system, meaning they must have had illegal access to plan that well before trump was sworn in….
i don’t think trump will ever get the authority to occupy gaza and “relocate” all of them…So the last and final attempt to steer the United States from fuelling genocide failed.
They did their job: telling you about news that just occurred at that moment. For the analysis they will need some time. Which is absolutely right.
Hey does Pepperidge farms remember all the fucking morons on Lemmy urging not to vote for Harris because she was allegedly complicit in genocide? I sure as shit do.
Know what’s gonna be objectively worse, 100% regardless of the veracity those allegations? The reality that they helped forge instead.
I think people overestimating just how much the average person cares about wars abroad. This applies to every country.
Those millions of democratic voters that voted Biden in 2020, saw that the cost of living keeps going up, inflation happens and correlates with Biden’s term, and most people doesn’t understand that:
Correlation =/= Causation.
Most of those 7 million Democratic voters that voted Biden but didn’t vote Harris are probably thinking: I voted for Joe Biden and nothing changed, why bother voting
I doubt that 7 Million people suddenly cared about a foreign genocide (like when have the average civillian cared?)
Same shit, different asshole? Democrats at least could’ve promised an end to the genocide but they collected the pay cheque from AIPAC instead
Ergo, they lost
It’s That Simple™
(Don’t @ me I’m not American, thank god)
GeNoCiDe jOe!!!
‘allegedly’
The mental gymnastics will only intensify as these fucking crypto-nazis get to distance themselves from their beliefs and actions of just a few months ago.
It’s also obvious that Trump and BB were coordinating during the election to ensure Biden couldn’t get a ceasefire deal in place in order to harm him politically. But as soon as Trump takes the office they just agree to a ceasefire no problem (as if that hadn’t been the plan all along) aaaaaaand then Trump goes off about finishing the job and annexing the whole west bank for the US. What a fucking surprise.
So, every hypothetical situation besides Trump winning, in the end, did not play out, due to the failure of the American population to mount a united opposition to Trump. Harris didn’t win, De la Cruz didn’t win, Stein didn’t win, West didn’t win, etc.
Now let’s focus on this question for two seconds, because I don’t think you all have ever actually addressed it. Putting aside the supposed “viability” as a reason for to vote for them - since that’s circular logic before the election has even happened. Putting that ASIDE. Of all the non-Trump candidates, who, in the seat of the Presidency, would have been the best candidate for the job? Who, sitting in that office, would have produced the best outcome for Americans, or the world as a whole?
Harris was complicit in genocide.
Trump loudly talked about how he would make the genocide worse.
Why absolve Harris in an attempt to strengthen your argument?
I still can’t get over how they were essentially presented with a simplified version of the trolley problem and chose to not pull the lever.
By their own narrative that “the democrats are complicit in a genocide in Gaza”, they were aware that Palestinians were metaphorically tied to both tracks, yet decided to not pull the lever when America itself and every marginalized person living within was also on the track the trolley barreled towards.
I suspected that many of the accounts were Russian plants or Trump supporters trying to divide the Democrat vote. Most of the time when I checked account age they were made either that day or the day before.
I know that Lemmy is new and all but still was sus.
I haven’t gone back to accounts to see if they are still active. I suspect that they aren’t.
Even worse, I think those Tankies really were just Tankies. They don’t want the USA to be fixed, they don’t care about creating actual socialism, they just want us all to off each other. I would get into discussions with those supposed purists abstaining from Kamala in democrat centric discussions and they almost always out themselves as another masked up Tankie talking about the USA as an evil empire that needs more destruction.
They’re still active now, too, trying to promote their version of “resistance” which is just more of the nation harming itself until nothing is left to oppose the CCP.
I suspect that what we saw here on lemmy were actual people who had been indoctrinated elsewhere.
Lemmy isn’t really big enough to be a target for bots and so on.
Bots are cheap to write. That’s naive to think there wasn’t a disinformation war going on with bots being on the forefront of it.
Calling it simplified does a disservice of the real world impacts of the “trolley” - especially since unlike a thought experiment - this trolley problem is physically constructed by people to achieve imperialistic goals - so expending energy blaming random lemmings for this - instead of figuring out who built, maintains and presents the trolley as the only option and how to dismantle it seems useless.
I believe we should avoid infighting and actually organize to do something so we don’t have to choose if we pull the lever or not every 4 years (if there even is another election…)
Cool, we remember - now what? What do we materially do now to resist that isn’t just blaming non-voters online?
Go protest, resist being part of that genocide by laying down work. Call or write your local representatives voice your opinion and ask how you can help to stop that.
Blaming other people and feeling superior is how Democrats win! Aren’t you paying attention? Hey, where are they taking us??!
Get ready to vote Dem really hard in 2028 /s
I don’t think history looks back negatively on any “I won’t support [a little] genocide” crowd, if there isn’t maybe this will be the first.
Is there a particular “this group of common folk opposed Hitler wrongly, everything’s their fault” narrative that is common? I meant this as a rant, but I’m too ignorant and perhaps there is. Obviously, Nazis and Nazi supporters are criticised. There’s those in power that handed it off to Hitler that take some flak. But those without power and also didn’t support Hitler what criticisms do they come under
Learning the lessons of history and who future generations are going to blame for the here and now. Is it going to be leftists that didn’t vote Nazi?
I remember the BBC manufacturing consent for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris complicity genocide as well.
Man I really wish you guys elected Harris or Joe Biden to sit back and watch this happen instead of talking about it openly, that would have been great for the Palestinians.
China really needs to start throwing their weight around on the global stage if they want to be anything more than a regional power.
China should be filling the vacuum on the global stage that the US is vacating.
Maybe after the Chinese authorian regime is done with the cleansing of the uyghurs, they take the place of the US and help Israel with the cleansing of Palestine
China already is extending their hand to places affected by USAID being shut down, I believe.
Everyone had this prediction that China would become the world’s number one superpower at some point, but I don’t know if people predicted that was because the U.S. shot itself it the face.
the hostile corporate takeover is in full effect in the USA. The downfall of America is happening in realtime at an accelerated rate. Capitalism will be the downfall of whatever democracy was left in the US.
China is just sitting back and letting the U.S. hang itself. They’ll step up and step in once America is well and truly down for the count.
edit: autocorrect
So much for “never again,” eh? More like “whenever we feel like it” if trends in global hegemony are any indication.
What should the BBC have done?
Use the term “Ethnic Cleansing” because that is literally the term which describes Trumps plan…
I don’t think it’s a new agency’s job to make such claims, but they have reported on people calling it that
The UN Secretary General’s spokesperson Stephane Dujarric has just previewed remarks that we are expecting this afternoon from Antonio Guterres, in response to President Donald Trump’s shocking plan for the US to take over Gaza.
On Gaza, Guterres will say that it is “vital to stay true to the bedrock of international law” and “essential to avoid any form of ethnic cleansing”.
Since Trump made his controversial Gaza remarks yesterday, some Democrats have taken to social media to condemn his comments.
Many have accused the Republican president of “promoting ethnic cleaning” for saying Palestinians should leave Gaza and settle elsewhere.
“It is horrific,” Democratic Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez told reporters, adding: “It is part of the culmination of what I view to be genocide of the Palestinian people.”
Watch: ‘Definition of ethnic cleansing’, Ocasio-Cortez says on Trump’s Gaza plan
Can’t say I see anything wrong with BBC’s actions here tbh.
