Very cool and they should keep doing this, but no one’s CPE is going to be able to do anywhere near this speed unless they plan on giving everyone large enterprises routers for home use.
Man, real countries are doing this shit while the US is doing an illegal war on the thought crime of being"woke".
640kb should be enough for anybody.
640kb? Luxury.
There’s a bunch of places in the US that has 10 Gbps speed, so this jump to 50 Gbps is not too shocking. Writing it as 50,000 Mbps to make it seem huge is an interesting take.
Worse than that, from the article:
The 50G-PON ITU-T standard supports theoretical speeds of up to 50 Gbps downstream and up to 25 Gbps upstream, though current real-world deployments in China - led by China Telecom, its regional branch Shanghai Telecom, and ZTE - typically provide 10 Gbps all-optical access.
So the 50G number is just theoretical and actual real world speed is only 10G. Due to regulations in the US, advertisements would need to advertise the real speeds. So this is really just the same as 10Gbps anywhere else.
Wait, there are regulations about advertising true speed? Does ComCast know? Does AT&T?
It may be only loosely enforced with fines but there are FTC rules that all online marketing must follow https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/advertising-marketing-internet-rules-road
It does and up helping a little bit. I’m addition to government fines, they also risk class action lawsuits from their customers. I’m willing to bet this is more of a hurdle than China has for state owned companies.
I’m just pretty sure my fiber vendor offers 10Gbps service but I’ve never had reason to check whether they offer it here. There app is not responding so I can’t verify …. They are better at fiber service than maintaining an app.
Personally I think gig fiber is the current sweet spot:
- price has come down a lot
- very low latency
- high reliability
- more than enough for most people
It’s technically overkill for most people but a huge benefit is it works. For everything. Cable tends to be way over-provisioned for plus asymmetrical and higher latency, so you won’t get the bandwidth you pay for, uploads will be slow, and latency may hit you while gaming or streaming. Most of the time cable or slower fiber will be good enough but you will hit glitches, buffering. My gigabit fiber has been rock solid for years, never a glitch, never a buffering, no slow uploads, never impacts gaming. It’s near perfect. I dont mind the extra cost due to the huge savings from dropping cable and phone
It will be in 10 years when a majority of their country has access to it. Industrialization in China is on a different level.
In less than 25 years they will take the top spot for global economy, and likely everything else.
Yep, and in ten years, we’ll still be arguing about whether dsl counts as “broadband”
China will be lucky if they still exist as a single unified nation. Demographics, employment, debt, over built property market, over dependence on manufacturing exports, energy import dependence, food import dependence.
They have a number of very strong headwinds that could very well cause the failure and break up of the CCP in the next twenty years.
the us will be lucky if it exists at all in the future
We’ll be around. We may not be a democracy but we’ll be around.
China though, it’s cooked .
Have you ever stepped food into China? I have. And I can tell you from personal experience they’re living in the future.
They have their own fair share of problems. But the investments they’re making into infrastructure are very easily going to catapult them to the head of the class here very shortly…
I’m really tired of being told how distopian China is from people who’ve never even been there.
Yeah I’ve been there a bunch and this city centers are definitely impressive. There is plenty of dystopian shit though. Obviously the Internet situation is weird, but I’ve been basically told I can’t go up to my hotel room without my Chinese sponsor.
OK
Meanwhile, Telia in Estonia: “The Estonian customer doesn’t prioritize connection speed or price, that’s why we don’t need to offer competitive speed/price ratios compared to what we have in other European countries”
Seems surprising, especially because Estonia is known for its digitized government. I logically thought that it’d be complemented with decent Internet coverage.
We have roughly the same problem that the US has, where they’ve paid the big ISPs to put fiber everywhere and all that money got pocketed. Well, Estonia’s first few big fiber projects were all through Telia. Telia put down way less fiber than promised and constantly kept saying the lines were already all committed so they couldn’t rent it out to competitors.
This I believe started before we even had Telia here - We had Eesti Telekom, later known as Elion, and then finally it was acquired by Telia. The same company has had a semi-monopolistic status pretty much all the time. Tele2 and Elisa exist, but they’ve never had the sweet ass contracts Telia’s always had.
This is slowly starting to change with the currently ongoing broadband project where you can get an ISP-neutral fiber connection installed for like 99€ or 199€, regardless of how much work it is to get the lines to you, but I’m not sure this is even available if you’ve already got Telia’s monopoly fiber installed. It’s very slow to roll out and every year or 2 they choose a bunch of municipalities with problematic Internet access and then if you live in one of those, you can apply. This has been a godsend, because it got me fiber at home, after years of only being able to get 12/1 mbps through Telia copper.
BRB moving to China
50gbps **shared line using passive optical splitters. Bit misleading there Chona, nobody is getting an actual 50gbps connection to their house.
I’m sure the hardware for 50Gbps optics wouldn’t be cheap for the consumer 🤣
The “innovation” in the article is passive tech for fiber to the room (FTTR), specifically made to be low cost and easier to implement. It’s also how your computer might get that 50Gbit - it’ll have to be wired in with a fiber connection. It’s not happening over WiFi (or even Ethernet)
Written in Switzerland from my 25GBps symmetric connection (for like 60$/month) that I have for a couple of years 🤷♂️
Also for personal use the difference between 1Gbps and 25 (or, I guess, 100GBps) is essentially zero… your everyday connection is via WiFi (good luck to get more than 1GBps there) or on a home server/NAS/workstation where likely you run batch jobs where the difference between 1 minute or 5 minutes is not a huge deal (and yes I am not saying 1 vs 25 because at that speed generally the bottleneck is the place where you are getting data from)
Plus what consumer can even support higher bandwidth? Computers are starting to come with 2.5G Ethernet, switches are coming down in price but still pretty expensive for home use (and complex), and any existing wiring is likely close to topped out.
For anything faster, you’re all too likely to need enterprise equipment for a lot more money and a lot more complexity.
I’ve briefly considered updating to faster internet but
- I don’t have a rational need
- I’d have to replace switches and wiring
- I don’t have the time to commit
- even building a file server that can sustain that bandwidth is a challenge
Interesting–when I made a similar argument on Reddit some years ago, networking geniuses assured me that they needed more than 1Gbps to play lag-free games. This on /r/programming, no less.
I’m sure I have the same ISP as you, but so far I didn’t splurge to buy 10G or 25G gear.
If you don’t mind telling, what router and switches did you go for?
Or did you go the Michael Stapelberg route?
I have a 40Mbps down, 5Mbps up connection for $30. Consider yourself as real lucky.
Yeah, I was on that until the other week, when my area finally got upgraded to 1Gbps.
It’s nice for big downloads (and with game sizes what they are now, that bit is a big difference), but for regular use? Not really a vast change. It’s nice that your bandwidth doesn’t suddenly vanish when one of your unattended devices decides to wake up and download a 20GB update for a game you haven’t played in months I guess.
I think you’ve misread my comment or there is some misunderstanding.
Just in case, it’s a misread, my speed is 40 Mega bit per second - not 40 mega byte per second.
I have to choose what I want to do and do those things with consideration, otherwise things like streaming will buffer a lot.
If you thought I said 40MBps, then I’d agree, as i imagine the difference between 320Mbps and 1Gbps won’t be noticed unless you’re timing large downloads.
Yeah, I know. I was on 30Mbps. Took like 5 minutes to download a gigabyte. Now it takes around 10 seconds.
But most video streaming sites are well below that, and web pages are a few MB tops. The only noticeable difference is when doing larger downloads.
lol I have 3Mbps down .5 up for 40$
RIP. I guess you live in the back end of no where.
I do 🙂
Hi from Canada. 1.5 Gbps for $66 a month plus cellphone plan of $50 🤦🏼
Seconding this, while I have the option for multi-gig at my address, I don’t have the need, once you get around gigabit upload speeds life is fine.
I can upload hours of uncompressed gameplay to YouTube in under an hour, and that’s limited mostly by their ingest speeds (≈300Mbps) and not my end, so that’s plenty.
With all that said, the option for consumers is great, I’m thankful I have that choice, wish more people had it too.
Chinese infrastructure developing is truly impressive. I guess that’s one benefit of being in an imperial dictatorship.
They are ostensibly a one party state, not a dictatorship. While Xi is the paramount leader, he claims he isn’t a dictator and I totally believe him. Also it seems like he doesn’t have absolute control, but what do I know.
I think few people missed the sarcasm
It feels like they are using this presidency to get as far ahead as they can.
While us taxpayer and ISP consumer is getting fuck all for their taxes and fees
Parasites just looting.
Well, at least they’re doing it quietly.
We already have private 100gbps in Australia and our public network just trialled it last year so rollout is expected this year there as well.
Why is anyone celebrating 50gbps? I can’t imagine Australia is anywhere near leading here.
This would be for a business, surely? I can’t imagine any individual having a use case for those speeds.
I can get 8 gigabit symmetrical if I want to, but I don’t.
It’s up to the ISPs what plans they sell. But cost wise it would be so prohibitive that only a business would buy it for the first few years for sure.
Not only that, but what’s the use case? Who on earth is slinging that much data around?
Small time server admins?
Who would have a server like that actually in their house?
Linus Tech Tips, a company that films multiple hours of 4k or higher content every day, which is uploaded to an offsite backup, as well as uploading edited videos to multiple platforms, made a big deal about having a 10 gigabit Internet connection.
LTT are also a bunch of loonie toon characters cosplaying as techies who lost all their data multiple times to malpractice. I’d hardly uplift them as a banner case.
Possibly not, but if their whole company can run off 10 gigabit, who needs 50 in their house?
Come on mate, internet in Australia is pretty shit after the NBN fiasco. Let me know when any of those those 100gbps lines reach 1gbps xD.
The article you linked describes plans reaching up to 1000Mbps (1Gbps).
That’s only 2% of the speed of the theoretical 50Gbps maximum OP’s article discusses (and 10% of the 10Gbps real-world speeds currently available in China according to the same article). I think you have your units mixed up.
Let me know when any of those those 100gbps lines reach 1gbps xD.
It was in direct relation to 1gbps.
Then I guess it’s my bad thinking you were trying to show 100 gigabit plans
None of those plans actually do reach 1gbps though, you kinda proved their point with your link
Those plans do not reach 1gbps at 7pm when every family in the neighbourhood is online, that is to be expected.
Under ideal situations proximity and network congestion they are capable of hitting the full 1gbps.
Right, so your first mentioned 100gbps will reach what then, 2gbps?
Not sure if youre trolling or just really daft at this point.
I think you may be confused? 1Gbps is about as good as it gets in Australia.
You are the confused one mate.
The user that I gave the link showing our 1gbps plan commented as if we did not already have 1gbps, hence me showing them that we already have it.
The link was not in relation to 100gbps and was purely a response to the 1gbps comment.
What would anyone need 50Gb for?
Like seriously, what would that get you what you can’t do now?
My local Network adapter isn’t half that fast
That’s the thing, it’s hard to imagine what we’ll use it for until it’s available.
So 50Gbps internet.
