• massive_bereavement@fedia.io
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      And Campylobacter, Cryptosporidium, E. coli, Listeria, Brucella, Salmonella… It’s the Macy’s parade equivalent of preventable diseases by UHT and y’all been invited!

      On the other hand, unrefrigerated raw milk is a fantastic way of meeting who’s who of the bacterial world.

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      22 days ago

      the post is highlighting the hypocrisy in refrigerating milk while also being against milk pasteurization, since both of those practices have been done for around a hundred years and serve to make milk last longer and be safer to drink.

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        This feels like a straw man. I don’t remember them making any arguments against using a refrigerator.

        I mean fuck them, but fuck them on topic otherwise we are just huffing out own smug cloud and that doesn’t convince anyone.

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          They don’t make those arguments because they’re stupid and don’t understand what they’re talking about, but if they really had the problem with pasterisation, they would necessarily have to have problems with other methods of preventing bacteria growth, like refrigeration for example. The fact that they don’t is the signifyer on itself.

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            Ok, so there are two kinds of idiots.

            1. The idiot who actually doesn’t know any better. They are just following the misinformation wherever it goes because their friend on face book said it and they trust them or something like that. Unironically the bacteria is crunchy and good for you and the bad things aren’t real.
            2. The person you are talking about. The person who knows it is bad and knows what they are doing.

            There are only a few 2s, most are 1s. Like 1 “2” for every 100000 “1”.

            2s, as you have stated, don’t care. They know. They know their arguments are dumb and a misdirection. They will not engage with this meme, because they know what they are doing and they know it is wrong and they know that engaging with this will just out them and expose their bad takes.

            Even if you get rid of all the 2s, 1s will self perpetuate. So you really should target the 1s.

            The 1s are not aware of all of this 6d chess going on. So if you show them this meme, they are going to be confused because they have no problem with refrigeration and they are going to be mad because you are implying that they are dumb and you are not addressing their concerns. So they ignore us and don’t learn anything and we look like idiots. This is what the 2s want.

            The thing is, pasteurization is an easy win for us. No need to overcomplicate it. Just tell the 1s and 2s the truth. Otherwise we end up looking like we don’t have an argument by making up positions they don’t have. If the 2s pipe up, we have the data and “It’s your life, if you want to risk getting deadly diseases tuberculosis, brucellosis, and E. coli, that is your choice”. If they go farther you can just say they are in a death cult, it’s easily winnable even if you are an ok debater.

            Honestly the 1s are looking at this meme and must think it is some other group that is being targeted because they have no problems with refrigeration so this post is like 99% of people who agree with each other patting each other on the back. Fun, but not productive.

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              There are only a few 2s, most are 1s. Like 1 “2” for every 100000 “1”.

              [citation needed], But that doesn’t even matter.
              The meme would be confused to the “1” idiots, yes. And that’s a good thing. Confusion is a brain activity, it’s an uncomfortable state of mind, and it demands answers. It might provoke some thoughts or urge to research something to resolve. It might not. In which case it’s a meme on the internet with the power and purpose of every other meme on the internet.
              And if the person is too stupid to have the productive confusion, well, maybe not everything on the internet should be targeted exclusively to the lowest information bacteria.

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                Are you trolling me? Do you really believe what you just posted?

                Why not just meme all republicans like to eat babies? I am sure that will confuse a lot of them and that confusion will uhh, be really funny I guess, and that funny will uhh, improve the situation somehow?

                You’re being ridiculous.

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        The reason for avoiding pasteurization is to maintain nutrients.

        It’s got nothing to do with whatever ethic might require a person to purposefully invite infection, as this post seems to presuppose.

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          So what scientific experiments have you conducted to come to this conclusion? Obviously, you can never trust a real scientist, right? So you must have done SOMETHING to come to this conclusion all on your own.

          So tell me your methods. I’d love to see your groundbreaking findings, since you’re the smartest person in the world and no one will ever be able to trump your science.

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          Isn’t pasteurization just heating it up to kill the bacteria? I don’t remember all the details but it’s like not eating raw chicken or something similar.

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      My family used to drink milk for dinner. We probably went through ten liters of milk in a week. The top third of the fridge was always reserved for milk.

      When i moved out i continued doing this for a while or eating cornflakes in milk, but eventually stopped because my adult body is not that fond of digesting milk. I eat crazy amounts of cheese though, but the well cured one that are low on lactose.

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        I have 4 kids between 16 and 6. I buy 6x 3L bottles of milk at a time and it barely lasts a week.

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      I will have milk with things like cookies or chocolate cake. And milk is mandatory for Oreos.

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        I hate dipping cookies in milk. It doesn’t coat the cookie it just makes it sloppy. It might as well be water.

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            it must for other people because people swear by it

            For me though, it just tasted like I ran it under tap water.

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              Might be a patience thing too? Most cookies will take some time to really absorb a meaningful amount of milk. Like Oreos take a good 10 seconds submerged. You can see bubbles as milk replaces air in the cookie.

              There are some rare cookies that will absorb the milk way faster, like Keebler Vienna Fingers will be soaked in like a couple of quick dunks.

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              Shitty milk tastes shitty. I have no understanding why schepps continues to exist. It’s like they have stripped everything that makes milk milk, and now just sell white water. I’m not a huge fan of Borden either, but that’s just a taste prefer. At least Borden is still milk.
              People who drink 2% or 1% milk? WTF are you even doing with your life? Whole milk is only 3 or 3.5%, so how much fucking milk are you drinking that 1% less fat is going to save your life? Do you dip your cookies in that shit? Why do you hate yourself? Did you know that fat slows your digestion? By removing fat from your milk and cookies or milk and cereal you’re actually speeding up how fast the sugar hits your blood stream and increasing how concentrated it is going to be.
              So, maybe you hate milk and cookies because you have been drinking shitty milk.

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      I’ll have carton of almond milk maybe a few times a year. A glass of cow milk maybe once every few years and it will probably be chocolate

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      I think it’s used in a lot of ways that isn’t “drinking a glass of milk”. I suspect most milk is poured over cereal. It’s also used a lot in cooking, but insisting on raw milk to bake with seems especially weird.

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    Not trying to defend drinking raw milk but things do taste different at different temperatures.