https://lemmy.world/comment/15319695

I’m guessing they did this because my comment didn’t have the correct positive vibes for them on their post when they’re the moderator.

It’s funny because 196 and almost all of its derivatives are rightfully anti-tankie because tankies promote centrism and conservatism directly harmful to trans and gay rights.

  • HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    22
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 months ago

    I’m not certain this is what happened, but are you aware that “cultural Marxism” specifically is a right wing conspiracy and not synonymous with being a tankie. Because to me a “cultural Marxism” tag on a post like that is almost certainly ironic. I could see someone mistakenly thinking troll since your comment doesn’t make sense to someone familiar with the term.

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      Nah I didn’t know, I can never follow all these trends where words have different meanings than the actual meanings of the words.

      • HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        5 months ago

        Its not exactly a new term, but its become more commonplace since the right wing online content mill started running with it. Actually going to recommend not googling it, because you will be inundated primarily with right wing propaganda. There are a number of good sources who have covered the conspiracy and the online personalities that push it.

  • Draconic NEO@pawb.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    Hi, I’m the original mod who banned you for that, your original comment seemed to come across as trolling because as other commenters have pointed out “cultural Marxism” specifically is a right-wing conspiracy theory, and also the immediate implication that me or the OP are tankies from what is ultimately a silly meme in a shitposting community felt uncharitable. Since it seems like I made a mistake and you didn’t mean any harm I’ll go ahead and unban you from the community.

    Edit: Upon more consideration, I have decided to reverse this descision, this is both because of evidence sent in by another user, as well as me being prompted to check their modlog, and yeah… it is awful… PSA to all mods out there, check a person’s modlog before granting appeals, everyone has modlog history, but you can tell a lot about them as a person including their intents from that history. Especially from the contents of removed comments.

  • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    11
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 months ago

    You used a white supremacist dog whistle that’s been rampantly popular among the far-right for years. You say you didn’t know that, but with how often it’s used, I don’t think that’s a very believable excuse.

    If this wasn’t a BPR by you, then at the very least YDI.

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      5 months ago

      The meme used a white supremacist dog whistle and I interpreted the words as their literal meaning instead of their dog whistle meaning, but the fact remains that my comment was very clearly and very consistently anti-tankie which is absolutely a core belief of 196.

      • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        Yea, but the problem is that there is no different literal meaning from the dog whistle. What would ‘cultural Marxism’ even mean to a Marxist?

        Nobody is questioning your anti-tankie bona-fides here. We’re pointing to the irony of someone trying hard to otherize tankies from other leftists accidentally appropriating a term that’s pretty much exclusively used to malign both for the acceptance of LGBTQ expression.

        • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldOP
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          4 months ago

          Belonging to a cultural group who believes in the political ideology of Marxism. What part of that sounds like something White Supremacists cooked up? You absolutely require context to understand this is a play on “Cultural Bolshevism” which was just code for Jews.

          • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            4 months ago

            Yea, see, that’s the problem - both of those terms are intended to describe a ‘culture’ of acceptance/normalization of lgbtq and non-traditional expression and associate it with the revolutionary language of Marx - the implication being that Marxists are intentionally pushing those norms and values as a part of their revolutionary action.

            All of which is relevant to the actual content of the original post - either you simply missed the whole point of the meme or you’ve accepted the premise of the term itself.

      • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        You interpreted the words as their literal meaning? And pray tell me, what is their literal meaning? The words don’t mean anything except as a dog whistle. Explain to me how you looked at those two words together, and thought, yeah, that’s a normal phrase that’s said.

        • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldOP
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          edit-2
          4 months ago

          culture /kŭl′chər/
          noun
          The arts, beliefs, customs, institutions, and other products of human work and thought considered as a unit, especially with regard to a particular time or social group.

          These arts, beliefs, and other products considered with respect to a particular subject or mode of expression.

          The set of predominating attitudes and behavior that characterize a group or organization.


          marxism
          noun
          The socialist philosophy and political program developed by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. Any social or political philosophy or ideology derived from the thought of Karl Marx.

          • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            Right, now stop being cute and tell me what those words mean in the context of each other. Define cultural Marxism. If they’re normal words, surely you know what they mean together.

            • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldOP
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              6
              ·
              4 months ago

              Idk how you’re not understanding this. Did you think I was just being dramatic when I said literal and therefor meant metaphorical?

              • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                4 months ago

                Marxism is explicitly a materialist worldview - it has no real way of comparing cultural qualities

                Unless you just mean ‘the culture of marxists’, but then you’ve pretty much taken up the term in its original meaning. Especially since the original post is about transgenter identity…

  • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 months ago

    ‘Cultural marxism’ being mistaken for ML terminology in a comment that’s trying to scold a shitpost for being too friendly toward the wrong kind of leftist is just a little too on the nose.

    Color me surprised that the kind of user who goes out of their way to broadcast their anti-tankie allegiances isn’t familiar with the broadly-used reactionary pejorative used to describe liberals that has been around since at least the 1990’s

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      5 months ago

      I think theres no question that my comment and my allegience was anti-tankie despite my pop culture terminology lexicons blindspots.

      If that offends you then maybe you’re not very anti-tankie yourself.

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 months ago

    From the context and the mod comments here, seems like a BPR. Good to see that YPTB helped handle it.

  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    I’m not sure how that comment would be trolling, but I’m also not sure why you have a screen shot of a comment that’s being written.

    What was the original comment?

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      Theres a link to it in the description, it says removed by mod

      Thats why its in edit mode. You can also see thats what it says in the modlog which shows what the comment was when it was removed by the mod.

  • catloaf@lemm.eeBanned from community
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    5 months ago

    “it’s a crosspost from someone else” says the person that posted it? A crosspost is a type of post.

  • spujb@lemmy.cafe
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    8
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    I don’t really know what the comment in question even means but @Draconic_NEO@pawb.social please change your community icon to something with a non-identical font/brand styling unless you intend to share leadership and moderation with !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone. Thank you.

    Edit: Sorry if this came off as aggressive, I’m not going to die on this hill. It’s a lovely icon it’s just giving the weird vibe that these are associated communities which is worse for both brands if they are not. :)

    • Draconic NEO@pawb.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      5 months ago

      The icon was made by the same artist who designed the one from the other community, and unless someone designs something better or similarly high quality, it won’t be changed. I do intend to invite more moderators in the future but have not gotten around to it yet. If anyone from that community would like to help moderate this one I’d be happy to add them though.

      • spujb@lemmy.cafe
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        Thanks for your response. I don’t like that it’s so similar because it gives the impression that they are sister communities. That illusion is less of a deceit if there actually is collaboration between communities, so I certainly encourage you to reach out to mods of the blahaj community to get those interested on board.

        • Draconic NEO@pawb.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          I have just opened mod applications on the community, mods from there are encouraged to join and will even get priority over other users who apply.

          • spujb@lemmy.cafe
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            4 months ago

            Lovely! I personally think that’s awesome. :)

            (Apologies again if my first message came off harsh, I should have been more careful with my tone! I just want what’s best for both communities and part of that certainly lies in the branding associations that may or may not reflect reality.)