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Tarlogic Security has detected a backdoor in the ESP32, a microcontroller that enables WiFi and Bluetooth connection and is present in millions of mass-market IoT devices. Exploitation of this backdoor would allow hostile actors to conduct impersonation attacks and permanently infect sensitive devices such as mobile phones, computers, smart locks or medical equipment by bypassing code audit controls.

Update: The ESP32 “backdoor” that wasn’t.

  • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    The rebuttal wasn’t as comforting as some are making it out to be. They seem to be more interested in the semantics of it not being a backdoor tied to a specific product, which appears to be true.

    Rather it is a potential for vulnerability that exists in all wireless implementation, which seems to me to be a bigger issue.

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        6 hours ago

        Idk maybe specify that it was determined to not be a backdoor. Right now it reads as anti-china fear mongering.

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          4 hours ago

          Could be propaganda as well - why not scare the monkeys with the bad Chinese? Without ESPs the market is so much easier to control.

          Note:I use both the ES8266ex and different ESP32s in my projects.

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    6 hours ago

    This isn’t a backdoor. Just a company trying to make name for themselves by sensationalizing a much smaller discovery.

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      4 hours ago

      Seriously this. Every single IC which has digital logic contains some number of undocumented test commands used to ensure it meets all the required specifications during production. They’re not intended to be used for normal operation and almost never included in datasheets.

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        If anyone’s ever followed console emulator development, they know those undocumented commands are everywhere. There’s still people finding new ones for the N64 hardware

        Edit: I should say undocumented behavior, not necessarily new commands

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    8 hours ago

    Fukin dmnit! I just spent the last several months fine tuning a PCB design supporting this platform. I have , what i believe to be my last iteration, being sent to fab now. I have to look i to this. My solution isnt using bluetooth, so i dont know if im vulnerable.

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    10 hours ago

    Weird that they removed the reference to ESP32, one of the most common and widely known microcontrollers, from the headline.

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    10 hours ago

    This turned racist / xenophobic real quickly.

    There have been several other posts about this without mentioning China at all, especially in the post itself.

    No where in the article does it say “chinese”, literally anywhere.

    The chip is MANUFACTURED in China.

    Check your racism.

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      9 hours ago

      I actually wanted to keep the title short, but I think it would be better to edit the title to avoid any confusion to make it clear that it’s manufactured in China, rather than saying it in the current way.

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        4 hours ago

        So instead of blatant racism based on a lie, you’re just going to dogwhistle racism based on a lie.

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            9 hours ago

            Also, thank you for showing people that there’s space for these types of comments that lead to a pleasant and meaningful exchange!

            This means more to me than you know 🥹

            Appreciate you!

            ❤️🩷🧡💛💚💙🩵💜🤎🖤🩶🤍

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    15 hours ago

    This sounds like there are some undocumented opcodes on the HCI side – the Host Computer Interface – not the wireless side. By itself, it’s not that big a deal. If someone can prove that there’s some sort of custom BLE packet that gives access to those HCI opcodes wirelessly, I’d be REALLY concerned.

    But if it’s just on the host side, you can only get to it if you’ve cracked the box and have access to the wiring. If someone has that kind of access, they’re likely to be able to flash their own firmware and take over the whole device anyway.

    Not sure this disclosure increases the risk any. I wouldn’t start panicking.

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      10 hours ago

      So explained to me, a tech illiterate in comparison, this is China bad scaremongering?
      ‘Backdoor’ sounds malicious with intent.

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        6 hours ago

        Pull up a chair and pour yourself a stiff beverage…

        TLDR: Don’t Panic.

        If you have a regular old processor (MCU) and want to give it wireless capability, you can buy a wireless chip and stick it next to the processor, then have the MCU talk to it through a wired connection (typically UART or SPI). Think of it as the old ATDT commands that had your PC control your old screeching modems.

        To standardize this communication protocol, folks came up with the Host Controller Interface (HCI) so you didn’t have to reinvent that protocol for every new chip. This was handy for people on the MCU side, since they could write firmware that worked with any wireless chip out there, and could swap out for a cheaper/faster one with minimal change.

        Fast forward to the era of integrated MCU+wireless, where you had a little ARM or other lightweight processor plus a little radio, and the processor could run programs in a high-level API that abstracted out the low level wireless stuff. Plus, you could use the same radio for multiple wireless protocols, like BLE, wifi, ANT, etc. Nordic and TI were early adopters of this method.

        Typically, it was the vendor’s own processor talking to their own wireless module, but they still implemented the full HCI interface and let it be accessed externally. Why? So if your design needed an extra beefy processor and used the MCU+wireless chip as a simple communication module, this would still work. The teeny MCU could be used to run something extra in parallel, or it could just sit idle. A typical example could be a laptop or cell phone. The little MCU is too small for everything else, so you pair it with a big chip and the big chip drives the little chip through HCI.

        Sure, it would be cheaper if you just went with a basic ‘dumb’ wireless chip, as folks from CSR, Broadcom, and Dialog kept pointing out. But the market demanded integrated chips so we could have $10 activity trackers, fancy overpriced lightbulbs, and Twerking Santas (https://www.amazon.com/twerking-santa-claus/s?k=twerking+santa+claus).

        For integrated MCU+wireless chips, most vendors didn’t release the super low-level firmware that ran between them. There was no need. It was internal plumbing. They exposed SDKs so you could control the wireless chip, or high-level Bluetooth/wifi APIs so you could connect and talk to the outside world in a few lines of code. These SDKs were unique to each vendor (like Nordic’s nRF Connect library, or TI’s SimpleLink SDK).

        Then along came Espressif out of Shanghai, China with a combo chip (ESP8266) that offered processor + wifi and was so cheap and easy to program that it took the hobbyist market by storm. Oh, god… so many LED light strips, perfect for Christmas and blinky EDM lightup outfits (hello, Adafruit: https://www.adafruit.com/category/65).

        Fast forward and Espressif drops the ESP32. A bigger, faster Tensilica Xtensa processor, with built-in flash storage, plus wifi, Bluetooth, and BLE in one place. Plus lots of peripherals, busses, and IO pins. Also, running FreeRTOS and eventually Arduino SDKs, and MicroPython. All for less than $5! It took off like a rocket. So many products. Plus, you could run them as little webservers. Who doesn’l love a little webserver in their pocket?

        It’s gone through a few variations, including swapping out the Tensilica with an open-source RISC-V MCU, but otherwise it’s a massive seller and the gateway drug for most IoT/Smarthome nerds.

        So along come these Tarlogic researchers, looking to build a direct USB to bluetooth library. This way, you can drive the wireless from, say Linux, directly. There are already BLE to USB stacks, but this one is giving access at the HCI level, in a C library. Handy if you’re doing research or developing drivers, but not the sort of thing your typical DIY pereon needs.

        As part of their process, the researchers decide to dump the really low level ESP32 firmware and reverse engineer it.

        A typical HCI implementation is a giant event loop that handles HCI opcodes and parameters. Host wants to talk to the outside world, it sets up some registers, configures the unique MAC address, then opens a channel and starts sending/receiving (hopefully without the modem screeching tones). There are typical packet encoders and decoders, multiple ISO/TCP layers, and the sort of thing that most people assume somebody else has gotten right.

        For fancier implementations, there may be interrupt or DMA support. Sometimes, there’s a multi-tasking part under the hood so they can time-slice between wifi, bluetooth, and ble (aka Fusion or Coexistence support). Not that you should care. The internals of this stuff is usually nobody’s business and the vendors just include a binary blob as part of their SDK that handles things. The host systems just talk HCI. The wireless side talks HCI on the wired side, and wireless on the radio side. Everyone’s happy.

        In the process of reverse engineering the low-level HCI blob, these researchers found a few extra undocumented HCI opcodes. They’re not sure what they’re for, but according to their presentation (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25554812-2025-rootedcon-bluetoothtools/) if my super rusty Spanish holds up, it has to do with setting MAC addresses and handling low-level Link-Level Control Protocol communications (https://www.ellisys.com/technology/een_bt10.pdf).

        Now in an of itself, this is no big deal. ESP32s already let you easily set your own temporary MAC address (https://randomnerdtutorials.com/get-change-esp32-esp8266-mac-address-arduino/), so there has to be a way to override the manufacturer one. And LLCP management is a totally geeky low-level thing that the MCU needs when handling wireless packets. There are perfectly good reasons why the opcodes would be there and why Espressif may not have documented them (for example, they could be used only during manufacturing QA).

        So the original presentation is a teeny bit of an exaggeration. Yes, the opcodes exists. But are they nefarious? Should we stick all our ESP32s inside Faraday cages? Is this a secret plan for the CCP to remotely control our lights and plunge the world into chaos?

        As I said before, ONLY if there’s a secret as-yet-undiscovered wireless handshake that gives remote wireless access to these (or really, pretty much any other published HCI opcode). That presentation most definitely doesn’t claim that.

        To see if there is a REAL backdoor, you should wait for an analysis from fine professional wireless debugging vendors like Ellisys (starting models run $30K and up), Frontline, or Spanalytics.

        Incidentally, Tarlogic, the group that put out that paper have their own BLE analyzer product (https://www.tarlogic.com/es/productos/analizador-bluetooth-le/). They look to know their stuff, so they should know better than putting out clickbait-y hair-on-fire reports. But come on, who can resist a good CCP/backdoor headline? Will media run with this and blow it out of proportion? No way!

        If you’ve read this far, you must safely be on your third drink or the edible’s just kicked in. Stop panicking, and wait until the pro sniffer and Bluetooth forum people give their opinions.

        If it turns out there is an actual WIRELESS backdoor, then by all means, feel free to panic and toss out all your Smarthome plugs. Go ahead and revert to getting up and flicking on your light switch like a peasant. Have a sad, twerk-free Christmas.

        But over a few undocumented HCI opcodes? Have another drink and relax.

        Happy Sunday.

        PS: controversy already up on wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP32

        PPS: you may want to stock up on ESP32s for your light-up Christmas light project. Don’t be surprised if Espressif doesn’t get smacked with some hard tariffs or an outright ban, based on these ragebait headlines 🤷🏻‍♂️

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    19 hours ago

    I hate it when an attacker who already has root access to my device gets sightly more access to the firmware. Definitely spin up a website and a logo, maybe a post in Bloomberg.

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    20 hours ago

    I read in another article that the identified 28 backdoor commands.

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    21 hours ago

    The other day someone posted in Canada community that Canada should stop using Tesla cars and import Chinese cars. I replied saying, “That’s like replacing one evil with another.” I was downvoted by a lot of people. I should’ve expected it cuz a lot of people have short term memory.

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      Everyone has short-term memory and long-term memory. You’re misunderstanding precisely what “short-term memory” refers to. Short-term memory is held for a short time before it’s converted to long-term memory. What you’re referring to is being short-sighted. As in people who don’t fully think about the long-term consequences of current actions. Said short-sighted people still have both short and long-term memory. They’re probably just a little dumb so they don’t fully utilize the memories stored long-term.

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        9 hours ago

        Jesus. Okay. So when you say, “being short sighted”, you don’t literally mean they have myopia. You mean it figuratively. Exactly like the person you are correcting clearly means it figuratively when they say “short-term memory”.

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      18 hours ago

      “China bad” because western media says so. Please disregard the billions of dollars spent by western governments to ensure you keep thinking that way.

      It’s just another capitalistic country no better or worse than Canada or the USA. Though, the Chinese government has said their intention is to move towards socialism, so good for them. I’m stuck over here witnessing fascist billionaires loot the government/working class.

      • pulsewidth@lemmy.world
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        No, ‘China bad’ because many many examples of China bad. Such as the topic of this post.

        The whole “you can’t criticize China because you’re from a country that also does bad things” is logically worthless. It’s the appeal to hypocrisy fallacy.

        Not sure if you realize this but China is also ruled by a kleptocratic billionaire class that loots the working class even moreso than the US, so i’m not sure why you look up to them - China has more billionaires and a much larger wealth divide than the US. Actions speak louder than words and while Xi and the CCP often talk about cracking down on thier ultra-wealthy, they don’t really do much - couple billionaires might disappear occasionally though if they don’t praise the party line publically. One thing is for sure - I don’t see any elite CCP party members that are not also very wealthy. And it’s everyone else that’s propagandized 🤔

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        11 hours ago

        China is bad, because they too are a colonialism and imperialistic nation.

        Just like the US and Russia.

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          9 hours ago

          Living conditions there continue to improve, while ours decline. A whole lot of boogie man bullshit. This article is intentionally fear mongering.

          The CCP isn’t putting in a back door requiring on-site access in your litter box.

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      A lot of people are dumb. Or maybe because they feel offended because they are Chinese, but the reality is that every Chinese company is ultimately controlled by the CCP. If I was fighting a cold war, I would do the same. Sell compromised devices to my trade partners (AKA enemies) so I have leverage when I need it.

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        16 hours ago

        the reality is that every Chinese company is ultimately controlled by the CCP.

        Yes.

        But in the same way that every US company is ultimately controlled by the US Government. And every EU company by them. And every other country by their own government.

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      18 hours ago

      Because that’s not about privacy, that’s about the trade war. Retaliatory tariffs on US cars increase cost of cars for Canadians, as there are almost no car assembled in Canada. Reducing or eliminating tariffs on cars from China would lower cost of new cars for Canadians while keeping the tariffs up.

      For privacy and security, not a single new car on the market is decent right now. That should be regulated, but that’s no concern for any politician at the moment.

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        15 hours ago

        CCP has backdoor into every tech that comes out of China. It’s not about just privacy. They control democracies based on shaping narratives. They’ll utilize everything that democracy offers and use it against countries. They don’t have freedom of speech or press so they themselves are not victims of it. EVs are really just computers on the road. Flooding the market with Chinese EVs would just mean creating a massive free network on a foreign soil for them.

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          6 hours ago

          Summary: China is not a friend country. It’s a hostile country. Yes, we know.

          But the news is… so is the USA to Canada now. A hostile country threatening to annex Canada and trying to cripple the economy as a way to achieve the goal. So either we slap 100% tariffs on US made cars, which would hurt Canadians, or we apply the same tariffs on Chinese cars, so reduce them from where they are at the moment.

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          12 hours ago

          As opposed to the teslas with the back doors for the us government… but will be moot when Canada is part of the states anyway

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          Yes, but Canada had implemented 100% tariff on cars from China, following the US. That’s pre-trade war. The proposal is to lift that one.

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      20 hours ago

      People act like traditional car manufacturers don’t exist anymore even though they all over EV options…

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      21 hours ago

      There’s been a lot of that lately. Same here in New Zealand.

      You dipshits, they’re both the bad guys now.

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    22 hours ago

    We really should be pushing for fully open source stack (firmware, os) in all iot devices. They are not very complicated so this should be entirely possible. Probably will need a EU law though.

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      13 hours ago

      Open source stack will not prevent this. It’s not even a backdoor, it’s functionality that these researches think should be hidden from programmers for whatever reason.

      Open source devices would have this functionality readily available for programmers. Look at rtl-sdr, using the words of these researches, it has a “backdoor” where a TV dongle may be used to listen to garage key fobs gasp everyone panic now!

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        13 hours ago

        thats a very fair point, I had not seen anyone else make this one But the problem is that in this case, this functionality was entirely undocumented. I dont think it was intended for programmers.

        Now if the firmware was open source, people would have gotten to know about this much sooner even if not documented. Also such functionality should ideally be gated somehow through some auth mechanism.

        Also just like how the linux kernel allows decades old devices to be at the very least patched for security risks, open firmware would allow users of this chip to patch it themselves for bugs, security issues.

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          12 hours ago

          Yeah, of course, it would be better in many ways if the firmware wasn’t closed.

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    23 hours ago

    The ESP32 chip, developed by Espressif Systems, is widely used in various IoT (Internet of Things), embedded systems, and consumer electronics due to its low power consumption, built-in Wi-Fi & Bluetooth, and high processing capability.


    Devices That Use the ESP32 Chip

    1. Development Boards & Microcontrollers

    ESP32 DevKit series (official Espressif boards)

    M5Stack and M5Stick series

    Adafruit HUZZAH32

    SparkFun ESP32 Thing

    LilyGO T-Series (T-Display, T-SIM, T-Watch, etc.)

    WEMOS Lolin D32/D32 Pro

    1. Smart Home & IoT Devices

    Sonoff Smart Switches and Plugs (e.g., Sonoff Mini R3, Sonoff S31)

    Shelly Smart Relays (e.g., Shelly 1, Shelly 2.5)

    Tuya-Based Smart Devices (many smart home products use Tuya firmware on ESP32)

    Air quality monitors (e.g., AirGradient open-source air sensors)

    IoT Sensor Hubs (various DIY and commercial solutions)

    1. Wearables & Portable Devices

    TTGO T-Watch (ESP32-based smartwatch)

    Heltec WiFi Kit Series (LoRa-enabled IoT devices)

    Fitness trackers (some DIY and prototype models)

    1. Robotics & DIY Electronics

    ESP32-CAM (ESP32-based camera module)

    DIY drones & robots (used in hobbyist and educational robotics)

    3D Printer controllers (e.g., ESP32-based Klipper controllers)

    1. Industrial & Commercial Products

    ESP32-based vending machines (wireless payment systems)

    Smart irrigation controllers

    Energy monitoring devices (e.g., OpenEnergyMonitor)

    Smart locks & security systems

    1. Audio & Multimedia Devices

    ESP32-based web radios

    DIY Bluetooth speakers

    Smart light controllers with voice assistants


    Why Is ESP32 Popular?

    ✔ Low-cost & powerful (dual-core, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth) ✔ Great for DIY & commercial IoT applications ✔ Strong developer community & open-source support ✔ Compatible with Arduino, MicroPython, ESP-IDF, etc.

    Would you like recommendations for a specific type of ESP32-based device?