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“Well how do you keep yourself from murdering and raping all you want without religion?”
“I do murder and rape all I want, for, you see, I do not want to murder or rape!”
This one was always really funny to me. As if their supposed god himself hasn’t explicitly commanded (and even committed) both of these sins on numerous occasions.
it’s called consensual BDSM (obviously not the first bit though)
Does the right use independent media?
Or do their billionaire pals that have exploited humanity for decades just own the mainstream media… so they don’t have to bother with independent media: cause they have dozens of not hundreds of full time staff figuring out how to increase viewership.It’s not really a question.
It’s just how it isYes, and it’s very popular, at least with younger people. Asmongold, Rogan, Shapiro, Fresh and Fit, Charlie Kirk, etc. They’re usually further right than mainstream too. The algorithms boost them, they typically sell snake oil/crypto, and are suspiciously well-funded (last year, many were found to be taking Russian money).
The Koch foundation made a long-term investment in making it seem like grass roots movements were pushing society to the right. They kept it up for over twenty years, and that persistence has paid off for them in ways that will likely take a similar amount of time to reverse https://time.com/secret-origins-of-the-tea-party/
The difference in the size of left- and right-leaning media isn’t in news or comedy sites. The right-leaning news and comedy media is only modestly more watched than left-leaning media. Where the right really dominates is sliding politics into every single popular subject - topics like sports, games, wellness, and religion have tons of audience for right-leaning shows and basically no audience for left-leaning ones. https://www.mediamatters.org/google/right-dominates-online-media-ecosystem-seeping-sports-comedy-and-other-supposedly
I think I agree?
Like, the right sucked at independent media. They couldn’t hang whatsoever on Twitter or Reddit. They need to use billionaires to capture and co-opt these platforms to compete.
And like all the “conservative” social media? Its all 100% AstroTurf (rumble, etc.)
They didn’t capture TikTok like that, yet at least in Europe they dominate that platform.
I wonder why the TikTok owners would push the divisive conservative rage bait to the top of their feeds in Europe.
The goals of China, much like Russia, are to sew divisions amongst their strongest rivals on the world stage. So, the conservative garbage gets a big boost on the platforms algorithms.
the important question is what to do about it.
back in the day workers used pirate radio and printed newspaper to spread the word. today tv is too expensive to run and the hegemonic internet platorms bias their algorithms against it.
there are barely any workers awake to even spread the word by mouth.
and the hegemonic internet platorms bias their algorithms against it
Is there any sign that they’ve tried? The Right churn out volumes of viral ragebait against the Left & spread it through troll farms & bots on social media while promoting themselves with right-wing podcasters. I don’t think “the algorithm” cares about the political orientation of ragebait as long as it keeps users online.
Part of the problem is less “algorithm” and more self-sorting as people migrate to online communities they align with more & shut out dissent. Nearly everyone was on Facebook & Twitter before. Instead of migrating, we could stay put and deploy similar tactics as (or better than) the right to manipulate social media.
Use their tactics. Is it immoral to lie to an idiot to get them to vote in their own interests? They’re already buying all kinds of bullshit like flat earth, anti vac, and trickle down economics; infiltrate their circles and cause confusion in the narrative. Break into their walled communities and drive division within their ranks.
well… how? it seems to be much easier to divide leftists.
fascists seem to be so tight knit in their hate when i talk to them.
This is basically how I see the democratic party. The “real base” is college educated people who care about things being good, but are intelligent enough to see beyond first order effects. These are the sorts of people who read think pieces in The Atlantic, and who also have a subscription to The Economist because they feel it is important to see many sides of the political spectrum. Unfortunately, these people make up a rather small minority of the voting population.
The remainder of the Democratic party’s voters are made up of diverse interest groups which are voting for their own narrow self interest - various racial minorities, sexual minorities, women, union members, etc.
The challenge of the Democratic party is convincing an ornery old black man who regularly uses homophobic slurs to complain about his nephew and a 33 year old white woman who jogs during her lunch break when working to save the dolphins that they are on the same side.
Meanwhile, the “real base” of the Republican party is made up of a not very diverse group of “real Americans” who are also voting (as they see it) for their own self interest. But there’s not really nobel intellectual class in the Republican party - there are the elites, who cynically use the plebs to enact their chosen policies, and there are the plebs who cheer for their elites even when they are told exactly how they are getting screwed.
Democrats have fretted for years about how they could gain the success the Republicans have at getting their message out and mobilizing their base, and the reality is that they just can’t. Democrats are, quite simply, not dumb enough to fall for that bullshit.
Then lie and cheat to get the desired mass and change things to make it harder to collapse?
I get what you’re saying, but it also seems defeatist.
No, I think the Dems need a different strategy than the GOP, rather than fruitlessly trying to emulate them.
Taking the high road only goes so far when the opposition will literally kill to get their way.
I spend a lot of time wondering what “independent media” is supposed to be
In addition to suggesting more dramatic work on delivering effective government that aides & protects people, I’d complained they need to engage the people where they at
Frankly, adapting a message isn’t enough. They need to beat Republicans at social media, have their own answer to right-wing influencers & podcasters like Joe Rogan, probably pump out their own viral bullshit, answer Republican troll farms with Democrat troll farms.
to be answered on here with
This is such a boomer take. This is like trying to claim Clinton lost in 2016 because she didn’t tweet enough or use the right young-person slang, skibidi
The Right loves to organize & build a long-term strategy to “own the libs”, stack the courts, pass anti-abortion legislation at the state level. It seems the Left’s answer to “own the libs” is to also “own the libs”. “The libs” don’t catch a break.
The left doesn’t understand how Joe Rogan got popular in the first place. It’s because he’s authentic. If the left tried to make a Joe Rogan, he would be engineered in some DNC lab, given carefully-written scripts written by consultants, put through numerous focus groups…and would fail utterly.
If they were actually authentic, on the other hand, they would get canceled almost immediately for either platforming a problematic person or having problematic opinions themselves.
The left doesn’t understand how Joe Rogan got popular in the first place. It’s because he’s authentic
He’s an authentic idiot.
The DNC has no authenticity though, you’re right there.
He’s an authentic idiot.
No argument there. I don’t like him, but I can see why he’s appealing to some people.
The left had a Joe Rogan. His name was Joe Rogan.
I don’t know enough about Joe Rogan to say that he was never left, but the dude strikes me as a populist and a contrarian. I expect him to be favorable towards anybody who’s standing up against the establishment, left or right.
Yep, the right peddles sexy chest-beating wishful thinking and conspiracy theories which sells itself, the left has to sell the actual hard work that is needed - and yes frequently leans into chasing stupid celebrity endorsements and fluff and getting bogged down in the weeds or getting tripped up by well-meaning labels that get twisted used as battering rams against them like DEI, Woke, Socialist, etc.
Unfortunately we cannot win by being as bad as them, that is the burden of being on the righteous path of fairness, logic and reason.
It’s only the same if most people buy snake oil.
The problem is that most people buy snake oil unless they have reveived a good education.
Makes you wonder why the left is not improving education, even outside the school framework.
