And then the people all clapped and patted themselves on the back for saving the guy and went about their day. But the guy went back to the same life full of problems that led him to despair. Crippling debt or depression. Estrangement from loved ones that are no longer willing to reconnect. Loneliness or defamation or disease. It’s easy to save someone from jumping, but this is not help. That is not the help they need. They need constant and long term help, assistance, and support.
Saving a stranger from a suicide attempt has a vibe to it like preventing an abortion from happening without providing any further support for the mother or the child. Congrats, you saved a life, technically. But you did nothing to save the life.
This is why I dislike people who stop suicides. It’s their choice and their right. Mind your business, asshole
Ironically though, the ones who are driven to suicide are often the ones you want to keep around. The ones who cause the pain should be removed from our world
What I think would be most ethical if I saw someone about to commit suicide by jumping (or other means) would just be to use my words to talk with them but not physically stop them.
I’m grateful someone stopped my daughter’s suicide.
Same. My child texted “goodbye” to his friends and they saved him. OC, maybe you’d feel different if the suicide was a loved one, who didn’t tell you how they felt? Fuck any other outcome in my case.
As a person who has been suicidal, I respect this opinion, but as a person who lost multiple family members to suicide, I wish someone had stopped them. The fact that nobody did is what keeps me around though, resentfully, because I don’t think my mom could handle it again. It’s a complicated feeling.
I just wanted to acknowledge what you wrote here and offer a bit of good energy for the beginning of your day.
No you dumbass they are going to be sent to get help.
Nearly everyone that attempts suicide and survives regrets trying and are glad they’ve failed.
Sorry for my strong language, but I’ve had friends and loved ones struggle with mental illness. A few have attempted suicide and either failed or have been stopped. I once took a friend’s gun the day before he tried to commit suicide. If I had not done that he would be dead today, but today he is happy. He has a life worth living and is doing infinitely better.
Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.
This is nothing like going to a doctor and seeking a medical procedure like an abortion. If anything this is like a woman throwing herself down the stairs in an attempt to end a pregnancy. They don’t need to be allowed to throw themselves down the stairs. They need to be stopped and given access to proper medical care.
“Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.”
That used to be the case for me as a kid. But lately it hasn’t been very emotional. I’m of completely sound mind. I just don’t particularly enjoy being alive anymore. Death seems peaceful. No pain, no taxes, no humans.
A mental health crisis doesn’t need to be emotional. You’ve described acute depression.
If you aren’t seeking it and can access healthcare do so. Things can get better. A lot in the world sucks, I won’t pretend that it doesn’t. But it all can be better even if it seems like it’s not.
I’ve definently cried and held friends after a suicide attempt and cried when taking them to the hospital and cried again numerous times through the process. It was worth it at the end.
Honestly I’d rather have people like you that realizes the flaws of the world around than people who think everything is great. Only those willing to acknowledge the flaws can work towards changing them. Doesn’t even have to be big just little stuff.
Take care of yourself. I know it’s hard to believe a random person cares, but I do. I’ve seen this all play out too often in my short time here to not care
Damn the guy must have felt terrible in that moment.
Ohh, my turn to post this classic:
The view from halfway down - Alison Tafel
The weak breeze whispers nothing
the water screams sublime.
His feet shift, teeter-totter
deep breaths, stand back, it’s time.Toes untouch the overpass
soon he’s water-bound.
Eyes locked shut but peek to see
the view from halfway down.A little wind, a summer sun
a river rich and regal.
A flood of fond endorphins
brings a calm that knows no equal.You’re flying now, you see things
much more clear than from the ground.
It’s all okay, or it would be
were you not now halfway down.Thrash to break from gravity
what now could slow the drop?
All I’d give for toes to touch
the safety back at top.But this is it, the deed is done
silence drowns the sound.
Before I leaped I should’ve seen
the view from halfway down.I really should’ve thought about
the view from halfway down.
I wish I could’ve known about
the view from halfway down—And now I want to watch bojack again
Idk what this is but it’s not very good imo
My intrusive thoughts vs my procrastination
(Yes, I do go to therapy)
(Yes, I do go to therapy)
Good for you, srsly. All the best for you, we’re rooting for you!
this comment section might be insane
Lemmy do be like that.
insanely based
My personal moral code is that we should only use communication to try to stop suicide, I think it’s unethical to physically stop them.
I would only get them out of the situation once they tell me they changed their mind.
I respect your line but will not follow it for myself.
No one asked to be here.
You personally have no idea the depth of suffering another person might be experiencing and no one owes you anything at all.
Your ignorant judgment is unneeded, and unhelpful. It’s not coming from a place of empathy or understanding.
You have absolutely no right to physically stop a stranger from suicide just because you think your world views trump theirs.
For that matter you have no right to physically force anyone to do anything that isn’t harming a 3rd party.
You see yourself as a hero but your attitude is truly selfish and disgusting.
No one asked to be here, yet everyone is afraid to die.
Every single person on that bridge there was helping this person. You have no idea what happened next, that lost soul may have just been taken in by their new found family - and you’re advocating for that person to just die instead because they feel like it in that moment. Despite the overwhelming amount of suicide survivors reporting regret for their actions.
Yes, there are circumstances where suicide is the correct option. Terminal illness or chronic pain come to mind. Outside of that, however, to advocate for anything but life first is sick. Your stance should be to help people withstand and recover from their trauma, not usher them into oblivion.
you’re advocating for that person to just die instead because they feel like it in that moment.
I’m advocating for human autonomy and the right to chose to end your own suffering. Anything else you are putting on this is based on your own ideas and bias on the subject.
You seem to be advocating for prolonging other people’s suffering despite their own express desire to end it.
You do not understand the experience other people are having here and claiming you know better than other people is selfish at best.
You do not understand the experience other people are having here and claiming you know better than other people is selfish at best.
Pot and kettle, only I’m not advocating for someone to die.
Yeah this is the same thing I’ve established. Just be like “hey I won’t physically stop you, but I suggest you reconsider”
The anti theses of the Rammstein song “Spring” (jump) where a guy is on a bridge just to enjoy the view until other people come who mistaken it for a suicide attempt and encourage him to do so. This ends when someone decides to actively help him
I can’t take Till seriously anymore, but that is one of my favorite songs ever. The mood is just so jarringly depressing. The song really paints a picture.
The Hippocratic oath is far too frequently interpreted as a mandate to unilaterally inflict life as broadly and indiscriminately as possible.
Can’t die, he still owes us taxes /s
Wholesome crab bucket mentality
FUCKING FINALLY SOMEONE GOT IT!
Poor guy just wanted to take a bath in the river.
But nobody gets to have fun in city waters.Please keep your hands, feet and body fully inside the vehicle.
This isn’t a place to make clever quips. This is a person being pushed to suicide.
What is the root cause of suicide. I say finance…
Depression, but a lot of time finance is the root cause of depression.
Mental illness. Not saying suicide is a mental disorder or you need an mental disorder to be suicidal. Its mostly the stigma of both mental illness and suicide.
Sometimes being trapped with your own mind can be hell
Pregnancy
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I’m very worried about everyone here. Really, I know that there is a way out that isn’t suicide–it’s revolution–but it seems like you’ve all submitted to Capitalist Realism. I’ve thought about risking my life in an attempt to overthrow the state, but unlike you all, I am legitimately afraid of losing my life. It’d be such a sad note to end my life on. I wouldn’t be there to see any surprising good things happen. I wouldn’t get to see a socialist system established before me, and I wouldn’t be able to do anything to help anyone. How come you all feel fine about death? There’s nothing afterwards. There were the Viet Cong who couldn’t live to see their country establish socialism, there were the Leninists who died fighting the Tsar who couldn’t see the Soviet Union come to be, there were the slaves who died in Southern plantations who couldn’t see Juneteenth. If you were really willing to die, you’d die in battle.
Bruh bleeding out in a pit of mud on the battlefield as other random people fall on top of my already crushed ribs is way fucking worse than a bullet to the dome.
Plus, this revolution could easily go the other direction and I’ll end up being tortured to death anyway. I feel like this take is possibly the most historically ignorant one possible.
People don’t really feel “fine about death” but more like “being alive feels worse than death”.
There is almost always some thing in such a person’s life that is causing such feelings. Even if someone thinks the world is better off without them, it’s caused by how they “perceive” their impact on the world, which can be caused by the way other people interact with them.
The problem with the Western middle class is they’ve been conditioned to think they’re part of the ruling class.
They believe that the ruling class’ successes are their own, until it’s time to get ready to go to work the next day.
They see themselves as above poor people and believe they’re entitled to more before those who have less.
They always believe the solution to their problems is to make more, not spend less.
The issue isn’t just capitalism. It’s not just greed. It’s a culture of consumerism. Hopefully anyone who has been around for a few decades can recognize how much the social landscape has changed in favor of encouraging people to sell themselves out as quickly as possible.
We are living in the most negative of peaces.
This post convinced me to end my life
Edit: not in like a noble way, I think I’ll try to traumatize aa many small children as possible while I’m at it
