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Question for those of you living in a country where marijuana is legal. What are the positive sides, what are the negatives?
If you could go back in time, would you vote for legalising again? Does it affect the country’s illegal drug business , more/less?
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OP, please change the title to make it less vague what the question is about without having to open it.
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Legalize all drugs. Addiction is a severe mental health disorder, not a crime. Literally end of discussion.
Yes legalize. It shouldn’t have been banned to begin with. It makes more sense to ban alcohol than cannabis if we’re just talking from a public safety perspective. It was actually banned because the lumber industry wanted to chop down trees for paper rather than letting hemp take the lead.
It’s sad to see a lot of the misinformation here that says there are no downsides to weed. In fact, weed has a ton of downsides that need to be considered in how marijuana is handled in a society.
If you are a visual/ audio learner, here’s a well researched video on the downsides of weed, from a source that acknowledges their staffs personal biases lean towards legalization.
Kurzgesagt, "We Have to Talk About Weed
Basically, we need to recognize that due to having criminalized weed for so long, we are only now getting the research into the negative effects of weed, but as it’s coming out we are seeing how weed is not all sunshine and rainbows.
THC potency has increased dramatically since the 60s, and that has led to increased risks of paranoia, psychosis, and panic attacks. It also increases the risk of Cannabinoid Hypermesis Syndrome, where ingesting weed will make you vomit, nauseous, and have horrible abdominal pain.
My roommate just got this and she is not having fun. Her doctor told her this may be a 6 month T-break, but it’s also possible this is permanent, and best to avoid weed altogether.
I also am sad to see “weed is not addictive” being thrown around. Cannabis Use Disorder (weed addiction) is very real and a quick look up says 10% of users become addicted. Personally I consider myself stuck on a habit since I can control my use to keeping it after 8pm, but I still have trouble not getting high daily. I have a friend who is now 100 days sober, but when he had a relapse last year, it ruined his life.
That’s not to say it’s bad, I have another friend who needs weed to help him get through the day with his PTSD. We just need to recognize one person’s medicine is another person’s poison.
Most all of the major issues with weed tend to show up with people who began smoking in adolescence. I think a reason I’m somewhat I’m control and my other friend is not is that I started smoking at 22 in college, and he started at 16. I imagine if I waited until I was 25 I’d have no problem making it a weekend thing.
That said
My experience and the pain many have dealing with the health issues associated to weed are no where near comparable to the damage that criminalized weed has had on marginalized communities as weed has historically been used to target and oppress minorities by our US government. I also agree to the points that having a black market is FAR worse than having legal weed that needs regulation.
Personally I’m pro-legalization, but I think we need to be careful at how we are messaging weed to the youths and handling the negative consequences, as the myths of weed just being an innocent plant are super harmful.
I think that this is a very balanced and thoughtful take that I agree with. As someone who has been smoking daily for the better part of 4 years now, weed has helped a lot but it has also hurt me a lot. At my peak i could easily kill a quad a day, although now I’m down to a gram a day if that. I would’ve been in a much better position financially if I never started smoking, and I’m sure my health would’ve been a lot better. That being said, smoking has helped me through some very difficult times and has given me community. I started smoking in highschool but stopped until I graduated and started again right before college. I’ve stopped having my own supply at points (not stopped smoking altogether but gone mostly sober), but especially in this day and age it’s very helpful to have it. It doesn’t help that where I am, a lottttttt of people are cali sober (me included).
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Weed is no “addictive”, but it can be habit forming. Addiction is very specific and we don’t typically use it correctly in day day speech. You won’t have physical withdrawal symptoms like opioid, alcohol, or caffeine.
I would love see a study on lo g term effects. We won’t due to ethics. So far every study is either users have no long term side effects but it can make existing problems worse, or weed makes you try hard drugs and we should all know that is not real.
Heya, I’d love to follow up with you on some of this stuff. This actually isn’t accurate for the current understanding of addiction. Substance use disorders are more than just dependence, tolerance, and withdrawal. There are a number of other factors that constitute “addiction” (aka, SUDs). Check out the DSM criteria for cannabis use disorder for starters.
It turns out that, while not medical emergency level akin to ethanol or benzo w/d, cannabis does have some seriously addictive properties.
Really the trouble is that we misunderstand addiction itself. It’s not about chemicals. It’s about context, and overall life functioning.
Weed is addictive and has physical withdrawal symptoms.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7146100/
We need to treat weed like we do alcohol. It’s not the devil but it isn’t a saint either.
That’s a bit of a false dilemma though. The two options aren’t “it’s a magical elixir with absolutely no downsides” and “people deserve to be locked in a cage and have their life ruined for possessing it”. Plenty of legal things can cause harm. 35% of people are lactose intolerant, do we ban dairy?
Did you read the whole comment? OP finishes his comment addressing exactly what you question, they say the good outweighs the bad, and it should be legal.
It’s been legal in Canada since 2015ish. Haven’t noticed a difference, but now I can get better regulated gummies which is nice for my asthma.
As an ex addict to (too many) substances (not marijuana) I can easily see a few cons regarding drug usage but the real pro, if I had to pick one, would be to remove all that money from drug dealers.
I would rather my money went to drug dealers than to capitalists exploiting addiction. I reckon we only finally got legalization because of government corruption and kickbacks. The idea of fucking Fantino (you probably don’t know him, non-Ontario people) making bank after a career of using his power as a police chief to fan social stigmas and demonize users in the press all those decades is more than I can stand.
There are very few cons, all the negative effects of cannabis can be better handled when it’s legal.
Having lived in both, absolutely legalize.
I don’t personally care for it and I get annoyed by the public smells, the tacky and run-down stores that make neighborhoods feel trashy. But that’s all personal preference.
The one legitimate issue is that it is very difficult to regulate and enforce impairment. Someone driving or operating machinery high is just as dangerous as someone driving drunk. With alcohol, there are a number of different tests and impairment is well correlated with BAC. For marijuana, there is no quick and accurate way to assess how high someone is at a given time.
Impairment is impairment and being tired or distracted by phones/technology is often even worse than being intoxicated or high but we tend to love using BAC because it is easy to measure. Locations that legalized weed didn’t have an increase in impaired driving last time I checked, because most people don’t go out driving when they are high while people often drive intoxicated after drinking at bars.
BAC is also well correlated with impairment. Obviously it varies from one individual to another, but it is related strongly related enough to have fair and consistent enforcement.
AFAIK, blood tests that measure the presence of marijuana are relatively cheap, but measuring the concentration is slightly more difficult and is not well correlated with impairment. That means enforcement is problematic and subjective.
I certainly don’t advocate people driving under the influence of any mind altering substances, and I believe if someone is found impaired at the time of an accident, the law should account for that.
However, and this is anecdotal, I grew up in a house where I knew from a very young age that my parents were smokers. There were far fewer days that my parents were not high. They performed all necessary driving without issues. They maintained focus and followed all (other) driving law and never got into accidents. I don’t partake at all now, but when I did, I drove regularly and never felt unsafe. There were instances where quick reaction time was necessary (swerving to miss an unexpected obstacle on a dark windy road in the rain, accidents involving other vehicles in front of me, etc.) and my conscious effort to focus on the task was way more important than whether or not I was high.
Now I ride a motorcycle and am much more aware of what is going on with drivers around me. The amount of people I see in their cars on their cell phones or busy talking to their friends or just generally not paying attention, I want to say that is the bigger issue. Alcohol disables your ability to choose that focus, and at least for me or the people I’ve been in a car with, cannabis does not. I’ve ridden in cars with friends that touch their phones while behind the wheel and it has always made me feel much less safe.
But this is just my experience, and I wanted to share. You aren’t wrong and I know it makes more sense advocating driving without influence, but to say it is just as dangerous as alcohol seems a stretch in my eyes.
I think we should criminalize driving. It kills way more people than weeds and it smells way worst
Someone driving or operating machinery high is just as dangerous as someone driving drunk
You have a source or anything to back this idea up?
I delivered pizzas in downtown Seattle for a couple years, and most of my coworkers were constantly stoned. Many weren’t just hitting pens or joints, they would hit a fat dab with a torch lighter and then hop in their vehicle and make a delivery.
Both years I worked there, our delivery team got an annual award for having 0 vehicle accidents.
Obviously this is anecdotal, but if you run this same situation back with alcohol instead of weed, I am confident there would have been many accidents.
I probably overstated by saying it is equally dangerous with somebody driving drunk. However, there are lots of studies that show it causes serious impairment.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2788264
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9940647/
https://jcannabisresearch.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s42238-023-00202-y
Logically, if tobacco and alcohol are legal, there’s no health-related reason for marijuana to be illegal. Both alcohol and weed impair your judgement, and both smoking tobacco and smoking weed are harmful to your lungs. Everything else about alcohol or tobacco vs weed is worse. And giving criminals easy ways to make money is a bad idea.
So, as another response said, legalize it, regulate it, tax it.
Con: I am stoned all the time
Pro: I am stoned all the time
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Prohibition of vice does not work and only empowers organized crime.
End of argument.
Pro:
- people aren’t criminalised for kinda nothing.
- you detach it from other drugs (the regular dealer will also have other stuff for sale - not an issue if you buy officially or grow yourself).
Con:
- despite what people claim, there are people that get highly addicted to cannabis. Probably similar to alcohol, you’d say? Well, in my unpopular opinion, alcohol also shouldn’t be available the way it currently is (make it insanely expensive please).
- most people consume it with tobacco, so there’s that to deal with.
Alcohol is way more addictive than cannabis
Alcohol just isn’t hard to make. It’s also really easy to sneak into places. You could never make it insanely expensive. It would just all go black market.
As if Finland and Norway wouldn’t exist. 😉
We already tried making it illegal. Plus we don’t have the health infrastructure for it. We have a shotload of people self-medicating a variety of disorders with alcohol. And lots of people brewing beer just for fun. I don’t know what they do in Finland and Norway but it wouldn’t work here.
Not saying the model works in every country, but we see more and more moving against tobacco and alcohol in the EU, which is a good development.
I guess you’re from the US? I think we can agree alcohol isn’t the biggest drug issue you have.
Making it expensive only bankrupts addicts and makes more things privileges for the rich.
Worked in Norway and Finland.
Places with much stronger social safety nets and much more accessible healthcare.
Compared to…?
Looking across Europe, I think they’re comparable. No reason to not go for a similar model here.
Poonited States
Nah, won’t work in Murica.
In my experience, most people definitely don’t consume tobacco with marijuana. Some people smoke on the side, but mixing is quite uncommon in western Canada.
That being said, I am definitely highly addicted. I think anyone with chronic pain, trauma, or mental health disorders or probably at a higher risk. Not to mention the risk of psychosis for a very small portion of people.
Ah yes let’s bankrupt my alcoholic mum
I am happy with the legalization. I’ve never smoked weed or even drunk alcohol despite being legally able to do so. And I still think weed legalization was a huge benefit for many reasons.
- Reduction of organized crime around weed.
- Cops are less able to do illegal searches on you because they “””””smell marijuana”””””
- Weed is shown to be vastly less harmful than alcohol, so I always found it hypocritical that we allow one but not the other. Especially since alcoholism is so much worse and far more prevalent than weed addiction.
- Less people rotting in jail for non-violent crimes.
- Better access to weed for medical reasons across the board, leading to an overall improvement in many people’s quality of life.
Like. Why was this bs ever illegal in the first place?
Like. Why was this bs ever illegal in the first place?
Us answer:
I believe Nixon realized they couldn’t make it illegal to be against the war and otherwise left wing, but they could make things correlated with that illegal. And thus the war on drugs was born. It also lets the state enforce white supremacy.
Recommend reading “the new Jim Crow” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow
Here in the Netherlands we have the “Gedoogbeleid”, which translates to Tolerance policy. It’s somewhere in between Decriminalized and legal. U are allowed to purchase and have up to 5 grams with you. And using it is okay in your own home and in places that don’t disturb the public. But it’s still partly illegal, as in no indoor growing and carrying more than 5g… It’s a weird setup.
It’s also a weird construction because technically the coffeeshops themselves are not allowed to buy the bulk amounts of weed to sell in their shops. So everything has to come in sneakily through the backdoor…
Lately legalization has been getting a good push, and now shops are buying their flowers from legit, government approved “Wiet boeren” weed farmers.
True Legalization Pros:
- Good alcohol alternative. It’s one of the better substances to abuse.
- Better byproducts of flower. So more room for edibles, hash, concetrates and all the good stuff.
- Quality control, now you have some traceability where your flower is coming from. They put de Wiet Boeren on the bags with a qr code to see your flowers origin.
Cons:
- The wallet doesn’t like the flowers.
- Weed is very habbit forming. Addiction might be too strong a word for weed. But oh boy is it habbit forming. Ppl who deny this, are in denial.
As for how it affects the overall drug trade. Our number 1 export in the Netherlands is XTC. But that’s a whole different beast. As for weed drug trade, it does decrease it. In smaller townds without shops u will always have you local dealers. But weed really isn’t drug to be afraid of as in violence and crime surrounding it.
Weed is very habbit forming. Addiction might be too strong a word for weed. But oh boy is it habbit forming. Ppl who deny this, are in denial.
They’re also in denial about it making you dumber if you smoke frequently. When I still smoked, it became obvious to me that my thoughts were slower and I’d have trouble finding the right words when I started smoking nearly every night. Took a T break and cut back to weekends only and the problem went away.
Took a T break and cut back to weekends only and the problem went away.
So it didn’t make you dumber. You just didn’t understand that the effects of frequent weed usage takes longer to wear off than alcohol.
It does make you dumber, and so does alcohol. As we all know, the only drug that makes you smarter is huffing glue pantsless on a unicycle.
Saw a dude like that in Portland once. He had it all figured out.
Legalize all drugs. Drug addiction is a health issue, not a legal one.
Drug addiction will become a much larger health issue if all drugs are legalized.
