I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

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    Start by no longer telling men who have done nothing wrong they are responsible for the misdeeds of others. It breeds resentment and closes people to anything else you have to say.

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      Rich old dudes fuck every everyone over…

      21 years old kid gets the blame…

      US “liberals” are a useful tools of the regime who are too smug to figure out that they are part of the problem

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        They have become the coastal educated elite through the years and it’s hard for them to accept it doesn’t resonate with the wider population

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      This comes up a lot, and I really don’t know where it comes from. Who is telling you that you’re responsible for the misdeeds of others? Seriously, point that out, because I’m in my mid forties, I’m a white cishet American man, and I’ve never felt like I was being blamed for the sins of people who look and fuck like me. Really, it just sounds like a conservative strawman talking point, because nobody does this.

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          Bullshit. I am privileged in many ways. It isn’t an insult to acknowledge that I don’t and haven’t faced the same challenges as other people. I can recognize that society hasn’t been fair to others without ignoring the obstacles and challenges I’ve faced.

          Are you saying we’re not privileged?

          Edit: I’ve been thinking about your comment, and I wonder if you don’t understand what privilege is.

          Imagine you’re at a restaurant. You sit, you’re eating your meal, and someone at the next table asks to borrow the salt. You have salt on your table, and for whatever reason, they don’t have salt on their table.

          So you stand up and shout “No! It’s not my fault the restaurant doesn’t provide salt to every table! It’s not my responsibility to make sure everyone has access to salt! I don’t owe this table or any table any other table my salt that I am owed. The salt is on my table because I earned it. And besides, I have no pepper and my steak was overcooked and my chair is wobbly. Fuck you for even suggesting I share my salt.”

          None of that bullshit is relevant. You have the salt and someone is asking you to share because you can. They aren’t blaming you for the lack of salt. They aren’t saying you’re responsible to make sure everyone has salt. They aren’t saying that, because you have salt, you don’t have other needs or problems, or that you aren’t entitled to use the salt while you have it. The privilege is that you have access to salt while others don’t. You don’t always need it, so it costs you nothing to share. Having it won’t solve all of your problems, and sharing it should not cause you significant problems. And someone pointing out that the whole restaurant should have salt on each table is not a personal attack on you.

          You’re not the asshole until you refuse to pass the salt.

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          I don’t think this is accurate. Male privilege is not the same issue as the whole “all men do X” vs “not all men” thing

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          Okay, but that men are privileged is a fact. Do all men do well because of that? No. But we need to work with the facts, so we can better the system for everyone.