An analysis done in 72 countries shows **no consistent or measurable associations between well-being and the roll-out of social media globally. **
Moreover, findings from the Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development study, the largest long-term study of adolescent brain development in the United States, has found **no evidence of drastic changes associated with digital-technology use. **
Kids used to grow up playing outside and getting slapped by their parents when stepping out of line.
Now they’re grown inside social media isolation bubbles and eventually meet the real world, leading to mental illpreparedness.
I was mentally ill as a teen in the 1980s though I didn’t get diagnosed (that I know of — the US paychiatric sector tells minor patients their diagnoses much less often than they tell their adult patients.) until my twenties.
However all the reasons that I thought that might contribute to my melancholy, my delerium, my outrage, my hopelessness and my suicidality were valid. I might have been prone to major depression due to heredity and early-life family dysfunction, but school life was downright toxic and hostile. And then I was expected to learn the curriculum.
US schools are still about as conducive to education and healthy development as a toxic waste dump. This is not a place of honor. No esteemed are buried here. etc. We’re still blaming other things for the same reason we blamed Doom for Columbine and attributed delinquency to Elvis. We just don’t want to admit how much the establishment shortchanges its children.
Considering society’s ongoing response to the climate crisis, we just can’t find a single, solitary fuck to give.
I mean, it obviously is responsible, yes.
Apophenia amigo. It’s not happening, you just want it to be.
You’re right. I’m sure phone addiction has zero consequences on mental health.🙄
Your gut vs meta-analysis of 70+ studies
Yeah good idea trust your gut you sure can’t trust those scientist types. Hope you didn’t get vaccinated.
Doom scrolling social media all day definitely doesn’t have mental consequences. Water isn’t wet.
You’ve got cause and effect backwards, and if you read the very approachable and easy to read article you’d know that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/podcasts/hard-fork-apple-lawsuit-reddit-ipo.html Jump to 27 minute mark for the talk with jonathan haidt.
TLDR, less nuanced:
Several meta-analyses and systematic reviews converge on the same message. An analysis done in 72 countries shows no consistent or measurable associations between well-being and the roll-out of social media globally. Moreover, findings from the Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development study, the largest long-term study of adolescent brain development in the United States, has found no evidence of drastic changes associated with digital-technology use. Haidt, a social psychologist at New York University, is a gifted storyteller, but his tale is currently one searching for evidence.
Odd when we are also reading how studies are showing increased levels of depression and suicide. Which lie do we believe? I’ll just go with what I see happening with my own eyes and experience then.
This piece isn’t saying there is no increase in depression and suicide. In fact, the whole premise of the article is that by blaming screen time we might be missing the actual cause of the issue (increase in depression and anxiety) and thus doing our children a disservice.
I would suggest that before trying to decide who to believe, you actually listen to their argument and evidence first. Instead of just thinking that your own perception of the world is perfectly objective and not anecdotal.
Blaming teenage mental illness on social media feels to me like the boomers are trying to find a different scapegoat than all the factors caused by their own stupidity, greed and destruction of human habitat.
So. . .where’s your evidence? Or are you, just like Haidt, currently seeking evidence for your tale?
My guy, you are asking me to provide evidence for the claim that something feels to me a certain way. You do realize how silly that is?
You answered my question: it’s a tale seeking evidence.
As is almost entry comment on Lemmy. What’s your point?
That’s you’re exactly like the boomers you are attacking.
So where’s your evidence?
Yes. I remember having conversations with a woman in the early 2000’s who was telling me how social media was fucking her brain up by pushing ungodly amounts of beauty bullshit into her feed. This was before iphones.
I believed it then and I believe it now especially with the landfill full of articles pointing to it being the case.
I believed it then and I believe it now especially with the landfill full of articles pointing to it being the case.
It’s like you want to admit you didn’t read the article. Fuck, even the headline says the evidence isn’t clear.
Very well written piece, thanks for sharing! I’m one of the people that would be very fast to believe social media is one of the big reasons behind this rising levels of depression and anxiety. This text made me reconsider some thoughts I had
I feel like they’re trying real hard to blame “screen time” when in reality people are able to keep up with all the horrid shit corporations are getting away with now. It’s like some form of pseudo censoring. Blame too much screen time because people are more informed now than ever.
Kinda reminded me of this bill Hicks bit.
I feel like even if you get rid of the screens, what else do teenagers have?
I feel like this is the crux of it. do they think we WANT to be glued to our screens? social hubs are dead or dying, wrung out for profit. people have less time than ever, having to work and spread themselves thin just to stay afloat. mental healthcare is inaccessible to huge swathes of the population and our parents who can afford it refuse it. outside is a car dependent hellscape with increasingly unpleasant weather and increasingly agitated people. as a neurodivergent person it feels impossible to navigate. the phones don’t exactly help, but they’re certainly not the root of the issue. everybody on social media at this point is well aware of the drawbacks.
What else do any of us have? If I want to go out to a place, most places will have someone ask for money for me to be there. And it’s usually not “some” money, but a "lot"of money, that always only goes up. Some people can’t or don’t want to spend money.
Being bombarded by corporate propaganda and fear is cheap, so that’s where all your friends are if you have any.
Lol wow
world is collapsing
must be that damn phone
I daresay if young people could afford a home, a car, a family, and had some disposable income, free time, and any fucking prospect of a satisfactory life then they’d be a lot less depressed.
I don’t think social media is particularly good but it’s far from the worst problem facing young people today. The “phone bad” crap is just a lazy cop out.
I would love it if whoever downvotes statements like this had the balls to explain why.
There’s absolutely nothing inaccurate or I correct about anything you said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/podcasts/hard-fork-apple-lawsuit-reddit-ipo.html Hump to minute 27 for the intervju with jonathan haidt Point is that the social media problem is global and not only affecting US
Not going out and interacting as freely with people paying direct attention to one another leads to heightened mental issues? Shocking.
I grew up in the 80’s and we were super fucking social. Anyone that didnt live it cannot grasp how far we have fallen from what we once had, and we had no idea how good we had it.
Not to mention everything is being recorded to haunt every kid there is.
I feel read bad for modern day kids, my daughter included. An important aspect of humanity has been lost.
That’s not a phone issue, that’s a place issue. Where can your daughter go (without needing to drive) to hangout with friends? Can she conceivably walk there? Can her friends? I’ve been hearing my entire life that I just need to go outside and Bla Bla Bla but I don’t have anywhere to go. The closest park is a good half hour walk and now there’s even sidewalks! How pleasant. There’s nowhere for children outside, it’s nigh impossible to walk anywhere and it’s not like your parents would let you anyway since there probably isn’t even sidewalks the whole way.
For perspective I live a very reasonable 10 minutes walk away from the elementary school I went to. I think you’ll agree that’s a reasonable distance for at the very least the older kids to walk. However it took them till I was a senior in high school before they put in the side walk. You literally couldn’t get to the elementary school on foot without walking on the side of the road for ~4 minutes. Even now the experience is awful and the crossings are unsafe. This is the world us phone kids grew up in. It’s not that we don’t want to go hangout in person, there’s just nowhere to go and by the time people can drive it’s far too late.
Also the high school is about 40 minutes walk, there’s even sidewalks the whole way (now (only on one side))! It’s an awful experience as there’s absolutely no shade and about half of it is down a stroad.
I had no idea they were called stroads, thank you.
Haha no problem, I hate the damn things
By any chance are you a fan of Strong Towns? If not they are very active in trying to kill Stroads
I mean how else would I know what a stroad is lol
It’s like, their whole thing!
Exactly. Sure, we can say it’s not directly related to tech devices, but it’s definitely related to not wandering and having real human connection constantly.
And with the recording of everything - absolutely changes behavior.
There is a wast difference between the internet. That gives you access to information. And social media with algoriths fine tuned to keep you there as long as possible.
Cameras everywhere is for sure a disaster for anyones sanity and development.100%. I read my phone a lot. Typically Lemmy and Wall St Journal. If I didn’t have this device I’d be reading paper magazines and newspapers just like I did pre-device / internet.
It’s not the device, it’s how it’s being used that’s harmful. But I think we all agree with that
Yeah, everyone in this thread saying the phone bad is a Boomer cop out is oversimplifying the issue.
Yeah, there’s probably a component of taking the blame away from decreased quality of life by blaming it on phones—but you can’t neglect the effect that lack of social interaction has. I’m from the same era, and it’s overwhelming to think how much more complex everything has gotten.
