This is absolute bullshit.
I used to be a mod on /r/soccer, and there were strict rules around duplicates, and on keeping things related to football news and OC. It’s the most popular sport in the world, and when you’ve got enough subscribers to fill multiple stadiums, just “posting anything football” doesn’t scale. You also end up with a huge amount of content about the most popular teams, and when there’s a long-tail of fans from other leagues/countries you isolate a lot of people.
I can happily say that in the time I was a mod there were no questionable decisions. The mods went out of their way to verify decisions, discuss them with others, and reverse any bans if the user acknowledged that they’d broken rules. What the mods got in return was:
- Probably 5-10 death threats a day. No hyperbole.
- A handful of script kiddies that tried to spam the sub with offensive content, CP, and stuff that obviously breaks the rules.
- One stalking attempt on a mod that resulted in the police getting involved, a potential arrest, and a kid getting kicked out of school.
- Several people getting pissy, starting their own subs, and then realising that keeping things on topic and stopping people posting “Paul Pogba skills compilation 2015-2020 Despacito Remix” several times a day is quite tricky…
Funny enough, pretty much every decision was made by reports. Four reports triggered a message in modmail, and we just followed what users had reported…
How does moderating like that work? Do you guys take shifts? Is there a group chat?
Everything is done via modmail. Users report posts/comments, and the reports go into a queue that basically says “this comment has been reported due to X”. As a mod, you go into the queue, review the content, and decide what to do. Very occasionally, you’d look at the new posts, but very few people did this, because reports would usually come into modmail within minutes. In terms of “power”, all that was different from being a normal user was some extra buttons, and modmail.
Often we’d be called out for banning people, or deleting things. This was almost always the admins, because I assume people had broken rules that had incurred their wrath, or they had been caught with duplicate/spam profiles to get around bans. We got a lot of shit for one ban…which was the kid that got in trouble with the police for stalking a mod at their place of work.
There were about 15 of us, and we were told to basically do as much or as little as possible. All the rules were community driven, so users got a say in what rules to add (don’t accept this source, no compilations, no news from years ago to confuse people, etc).
Sadly, with such a popular sub, a post that clearly breaks rules might get 300-500 upvotes before it’s removed, and you get the typical “but everyone likes this post, why remove it?!”. In my experience, users don’t care if it breaks the rules, until they care it breaks the rules. There is no winning when you’re a mod.
I did it because I used the sub for a decade, and wanted to give back while.i had been laid-off from work (COVID times). I definitely don’t regret it, and if Reddit weren’t so shit I’d do it again.
Yeah your experience matches mine. Id really encourage people to not blanket trash on all mods. It is a lot of work that goes into moderating communities and it is either done by people who love the community, or by someone who loves that power dynamic. I’m not saying all mods are perfect, but give a chance for individual mods to prove themselves. It’s generally a thankless job, especially lately. By trashing on all mods we’re just going to scare away the good intentioned people and all that is left are the power hungry ones.
Sorry but I’m on the mod’s side here. Some content doesn’t belong on some communities. Most people upvote from their front page without even checking what community you posted to. If you allow things based on popularity, every community devolves into deep-fried shitposts
Proudly perma-banned from Reddit for taking the piss out of the far right.
Proudly had comments deleted from lemmy.ml for taking the piss out of the far left.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Thank gods that doesn’t happen here. Right?
Right guys?
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100%
the admins let people like akwardtheturtle have free rein over
hundredsthousands of subs until they protested the API stuffAwkward got banned right? Saw a post elsewhere about it
Awhile back yeah. I saw a post on reddit back then of their post-ban discord meltdown… it was exactly what you’d expect
Oh man, that would have been fun to see.
A few lemmy mods are no better.
Is that so?
I get posts removed now and again. Just arbitrarily. The big subs are not too bad, but smaller ones are often vanity projects.
I was banned once for saying “there are only two sexes”
Probably because that’s an incendiary pseudo-argument often used by bigots to deny someone’s gender identity.
It’s reality. Men who want to be like women, and vice versa, are finding out the hard way.
I’d rather be called a bigot than denying reality to satisfy the desires of fetishists online and the medical industry.
Imo, the biggest tragedy are all the kids that get groomed into undergoing “treatment” for gender dysphoria. Like puberty blockers and even surgery.
You are being a bigot BY denying the parts of reality that don’t fit your narrow and factually inaccurate worldview.
You are accusing me of being biased, meanwhile these articles are extremely biased.
I already elaborated on this in previous posts, but the gist of it is that you cannot build a society with all its various systems without having a practical conceptualization of what humans are. This is why your idea of gender-nonbinary, which is impractical to accept wholesale, will never go beyond the bedroom, niche parts of the medical industry, and maybe some transtoilets here and there. 99% of the world will still run based on the concept of two sexes, because it aligns better with reality, because it’s what’s practical.
In times of prosperity, you can afford to play around with these ideologies (at the expense of some boys and girls), but once that prosperity ends due to war or similarly unfortunate events, all these ideas go out the window!
You are accusing me of being biased, meanwhile these articles are extremely biased.
A bias in favor of scientifically accurate reality isn’t a bad thing. Bigotry is.
the gist of it is that you cannot build a society with all its various systems without having a practical conceptualization of what humans are. This is why your idea of gender-nonbinary, which is impractical to accept wholesale, will never go beyond the bedroom, niche parts of the medical industry, and maybe some transtoilets here and there. 99% of the world will still run based on the concept of two sexes, because it aligns better with reality, because it’s what’s practical.
Absolute nonsense from start to finish.
Just because you’re used to things working a certain way doesn’t mean that it has to be that way. Similar arguments have been used against things like abolishing slavery, women entering the workforce and the concept of secular education.
Turns out that those things ENRICH society rather than break it. Just like allowing people the gender identity that feels natural to them and respecting that reality.
In times of prosperity, you can afford to play around with these ideologies (at the expense of some boys and girls), but once that prosperity ends due to war or similarly unfortunate events, all these ideas go out the window!
Again, same old “society can only work if we don’t change it to be more open towards people different from me” bigoted bullshit that has been spouted since marginalized people first started getting any rights.
Just because you’re used to things working a certain way doesn’t mean that it has to be that way.
True.
Similar arguments have been used against things like abolishing slavery, women entering the workforce and the concept of secular education.
Slavery as it existed in the 1700s wasn’t abolished because the rulers had an epiphany and realized the errors of their ways. It was (mostly, not entirely) abolished for practical reasons. Institutionalized slavery still exists. You have prison labor in countries like the US. We also see outsourced slavery to more degenerate countries like China, where they do have actual slaves or laborers who are slaves in every way but name. Have you ever heard of slave free cotton, or slave free cocoa? These words exist because slavery is not gone. Companies and us consumers around the world are indirectly benefiting from slave labor till this day. I have to look long and hard to find stuff that are more ethically produced, you should know that it’s hard. We also see sex slavery, which intersects with the porn industry. Some of the women in porn could be trafficking victims. I wonder if liberals who goon to porn understand that.
Women working corporate jobs has brought a lot of economical advantages, no doubt. They pay taxes, they increase productivity, they saturate the job market, etc. But it came at the expense of the family unit, and birth-rates. You have a rising percentage of older people needing care, and a less percentage of younger people to care for and replace them. This is one reason why many western countries are inviting immigrants, to keep things sustainable. But for how long?
Women working is not a new phenomena. Child-rearing, taking care of the husband, taking care of the home, and doing everything a housewife does is a full-time job. It’s an honorable job. You seem to have no issue with a woman being obedient to a boss in a corporation, and keeping a smile at all times lest she gets fired. But if it’s her husband that she obeys, you suddenly get your panties in a twist.
Just like allowing people the gender identity that feels natural to them and respecting that reality.
It’s so natural in fact, that we have an unprecedented number of “trans-youths”. I wonder why. Maybe previous generations were just too scared to get out of the closet. Or maybe, it is because young boys and girls are being indoctrinated.
Again, same old “society can only work if we don’t change it to be more open towards people different from me” bigoted bullshit that has been spouted since marginalized people first started getting any rights.
Go and tell that to Ukraine.
Deserved lol
The rules end up there because people complain about things and then the mods implement a rule to ban the things people complain about. Sometimes they let the community vote on it. It does end up being the vocal minority who the rules cater to sometimes.
And they have to be more or less vague to give the moderators room to decide if the rule breaker did it by accident or is just an asshole. Trolls will do anything to walk the fine line between not breaking the rules and being as annoying as possible.
Mods should never use their privileges in discussions where they are involved (obviously they should not be the only mod on a channel either).
I have been on both sides, mod and victim of mod abuse. Mistakes happen. It is a delicate balance on both sides of keeping constructive and not trying to „be right“ by any means.
The most absurd situation is when you have to block a mod because they’re actually the head troll and also an admin of an instance. Its both hilarious and sad.
I think a hardcoded function to file complaints against mods with the other mods and/or the admins and optionally, a way to elect mods and unelect them would be great.
In fact I might try to make it. :)
Erego, fuck the majority of reddit mods. I was a redditor for nearly 12 years, and in that span of time? I met a shockingly few amount of decent mods. “Mistakes happen”? I don’t quite think that cuts it. In my experience it was never once a mistake. Off the top of my head: got banned from /r/gamestop for defending children with autism and their parents, /r/justiceserved simply because I had the audacity to comment in /r/JoeRogan when they didn’t even know what I said, /r/gamingcirclejerk because I enjoyed my time with hogwarts legacy, /r/Destinythegame because I defended myself from an elitist dogpile because I said I wanted matchmaking, /r/parenting because I gave parenting advice and /r/SteamDeck because I pointed out that the rules said no low effort posts, yet the sub was full of them and upvoted while actual effort posts, like tech support, were downvoted and ignored. Then the mods went a step further, and mass reported me for harassment because I presented mountains of evidence I gathered, showing they don’t properly do their jobs, which then got me completely banned from reddit. I’ve seen significantly more than that. These are just the ones I can easily remember the details of. I find very hard to believe you, a mod, were a victim of mod abuse. Statistically, you could easily be mistaken for another terrible mod. Obviously I don’t know much about you, it just seems very unlikely. No offense. Genuinely.
Well. There is a boatload to unpack here but I dont have that much time so let me try to make it brief:
By „Mistakes happen“ I meant that I can see that people can make mistakes, even as mods, but they need to own up to them, which they rarely do.
As a general rule, I believe that you have experienced this and are telling the truth about your experience because that is your reality and in stark opposition to you, I dont accuse others of being not genuine.
What I do see is that you‘re lacking restraint for respectful conversation, which is likely one of the reason people ban you. They might also ne assholes and not listen to reason, and salty, and terminally online.
But the moral of this interaction for you should be to show some restraint and basic respect towards others. That might help you get along in life better.
Feel free to answer any way you like but know that I will block any disrespectful people immediately.
Have a good one.
I’m not being disrespectful. I literally said “no offense”. This is just how I always talk. You don’t have to like it, but don’t accuse me of being disrespectful when I’m literally just talking. I gave the reasons for those bans, none were because of how I spoke. And by “significantly more” I’ve seen the same thing happen to many, many other users. I have no issues communicating with anyone, but it’s cool if you think I do. But I’m standing by what I said. Have a nice day!
Just because you always talk like this doesnt make it okay.
Ok; have a nice day!
Nah, upvoters are stupid and will often upvote anything with a pretty picture regardless of whether it fits a sub, regardless of whether it’s been reposted 50 trillion times, and regardless of whether it’s complete bullshit. Mods absolutely should delete a lot of posts even if they’re popular.
My number 1 desire for a reddit replacement is some sort of meta restrictions on voting. Ban people from voting for a post if they’re not subbed. Ban people who upvote bad content from voting in your sub. The more and more time I spend on reddit and the fediverse, the more I’m convinced that upvotes as implemented are a broken, shitty way to determine what content I see.
Have you even been here 20 seconds? The lack of self awareness is astounding. Wow.
i remember posting in /r/boneappletea a screenshot where a well known brand made a mistake, they deleted it because it was against a rule saying there should be no identifying informations, like people could raid poor multi million brand or something, also the sub was notorious for posting speech to text errors without batting an eye
on the other hand i’ve been banned on lemmy twice,
fistfirst time was because my rather sexist comment, but second time was because i said something about Uighurs genocide in China, (guess what instance was that?) also both bans were issued without any warning, completely against their CoCfist time was because my rather sexist comment
Get fisted idiot
lol, I’m not arguing about that one, it was a bad comment and i regret it, the ban was well deserved, but i’d rather get a warn first, in accordance with their CoC
Yeah I’m just memeing on your typo
still not getting what typo i made, i might’ve forgotten some 'the’s or 'a’s, cause English isn’t my first language
“Fist” in stead of “first”
Fuck I’m blind, read it at least 10 times, ty
No worries lol
Well, that’s not even shocking, honestly, because the mods on reddit are garbage, and they migrated here, still garbage, because spez took their precious tools away, which forced them into actually doing their jobs.
Sorry bro, the cropping here is very bad, I can’t see what it says :(
You should probably do a better job of cropping your memes bro
Here after a permanent ban for asking what a post meant. Fuck Reddit.
Fuck these mods too.
Welcome to Lemmy Here from a permanent ban last year for … Fuck I don’t even know just pissed off the wrong mod
That’s their M.O.
It happens on Lemmy, as well. I have seen posts removed according to a “rule x”, where “rule x” when the post didn’t go anywhere near “rule x”. I just left the community, even if those posts weren’t mine.
When the billionaire sister of Elaine Chao (wife of Moscow Mitch and nepotism hire in the Trump administration) drowned in a Tesla, I got banned for 3 days for “celebrating her death” even though I did no such thing:
The same mod banned 13 other people for the same thing in the same thread, even though only one or two of them had actually broken the rule.
Deserved it.
Why do you think so? I didn’t break any rules and it’s not like any of the people who know that billionaire leech on society (but I repeat myself) are going to go on Lemmy to see my joke 🤷
Wishing ill on someone purely because they’re wealthy is gross, and also just plain cringe.
First of all, I didn’t wish ill on anyone. I made a joke about it being unfair to connect an innocent non public person to Moscow Mitch, then pretended TP concede the point because of her billionaire status.
Secondly, being a billionaire isn’t just “wealthy”. It’s a grotesque level of wealth hoarding that’s impossible to achieve without abusing and/or severely depriving people who have done you no harm. THAT’S “plain cringe”.
Pictured: what most people would consider a significant amount of money, what most people would consider a large enough net “worth” to be wealthy and a ridiculous dragon’s hoard, respectively:
