For the record I support multi gender spaces but I am apparently in the minority of people who thinks bears are scary

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    Who specifically said “men are more dangerous than bears” and in what context was that said?

    Also, multi-gender restrooms are exceedingly rare. I think I’ve seen truly multigendered one in my life. Who is advocating for that? Are you referring to individual bathrooms that allow anyone to enter? It’s one room meant for single occupancy.

    Edit: in case anyone wants to read the article that I think OP is referencing: https://inews.co.uk/opinion/women-rather-stuck-forest-with-man-bear-3019615

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      A very hyperbolic feminist journalist and, look, I get that most men are unaware of how anxious we can inadvertently make women feel but hyperbole doesn’t help foster a productive conversation.

      Here’s one thread on it: https://lemmy.world/post/14872533

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        Did you read the article? It doesn’t seem hyperbolic. Just an explanation with humor.

        This should be a very easy question! I want to say the man, I really do, but I can’t shake the idea that I would be safer with the bear. I am not sure if it is men or bears that are being most maligned in all of this, but there is no denying that is this a very revealing question

        The beauty of the question lies in its vagueness because that forces you to work with averages. On average, is a woman safer in the woods with a man or a bear?

        Let’s start with the bears. Bear attacks are highly sensationalised but rare… Black bears attack and kill around one human per year in America, and because of humans encroaching on their territories, black bear attacks are on the rise in Japan.

        Bears generally leave humans alone and will alter their behaviour to avoid us where possible.

        On average, two women per week are murdered by their partner or ex-partner in the UK. According to the UN, 55 per cent of all female homicides worldwide are committed by intimate partners or other family members, at a rate of five deaths every single hour.

        71 per cent of women of all ages in the UK have experienced some form of sexual harassment in a public space

        A bear will act like a bear. It’s predictable and it’s going to avoid you if it can. It’s not going to pester you for a date and then monologue about the Godfather trilogy.

        Then there is the fact that if I was attacked by a bear, no one would tell me I was making it up. I wouldn’t be asked what I was wearing, if I was drunk, or what I had done to provoke the bear

        humans kill far more bears every year than the other way around. The thought experiment is fun but flawed as it sets up a false dichotomy. Humans don’t live in close proximity with bears like we do with each other. … what the question does is expose is the fact for many women, a strange man in the woods is still an obvious threat.

        It literally walks you through the points and ends on a realistic, somber note.

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          Nope I hadn’t, that’s actually pretty nuanced and well considered… I’ve only seen the article linked by title and the title definitely feels like flame bait

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          The beauty of the question lies in its vagueness because that forces you to work with averages. On average, is a woman safer in the woods with a man or a bear?

          Average woman crosses paths with hundreds of thousands of men in their life

          Average woman likely never sees a bear in their life even once

          Hmm I wonder why you can find more examples of male violence??

          A bear will act like a bear. It’s predictable and it’s going to avoid you if it can. It’s not going to pester you for a date and then monologue about the Godfather trilogy.

          Meanwhile like half of recorded bear attacks are nightmare fuel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America

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            Maybe you missed my edit where I included the ending. You definitely missed the main point of the article

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              Yeah I missed your edit

              Ok so they are scared of men so would rather be eaten by a bear. I don’t see that as somber I see that as a lack of any common sense and it also makes me feel sad that we are this disconnected from nature

              Do these folks know what happens when you see a bear? The fight or flight response your body has is ridiculous. Because evolution has it baked into our brains that bear = danger. I mean the last time I was charged by a bear, the guy I was with actually pissed himself lol

              NONE of these women, if actually found in this supposed hypothetical situation, are going to choose bear

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      At my university there are multi gender washrooms all over campus. They have been modified so that there is a wall around the unirals to obstruct view but otherwise same as a regular washroom meant for one gender. Signs have been replaced with “all-gender washroom” and another note saying “this washroom has stalls” or “this washroom has stalls and urinals”

      I’m not against this in the slightest but the same blue-haired people who made this happen are all over social media right now claiming they would rather be in the woods with a random bear than a random man

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        If you ever want to type “blue-haired people” and aren’t literally talking about people with blue hair please take a moment and realize you’re probably better off not typing anything at all.

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          Are you really denying that blue hair hasn’t become symbolism of a certain identity movement

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            No, I’m not denying that. There has been a strong push to form that association… but it’s a childish, surface level ad-hominem attack that we shouldn’t perpetuate.

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              I have a lot of friends who dyed their hair blue because they are indeed extremely left wing lol, and they would be proud that people associate blue hair with that

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        Funny, visiting someone else’s university is where I saw that. It was a highly regarded liberal arts college in New England. Still, I’d call that super rare.

        The bear thing seems a bit exaggerated. Not sure what hair color has to do with this

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          Not sure what hair color has to do with this

          I’m saying that the ultra left people you usually see with dyed hair are the people who advocate for multi gender washrooms, are the same people so loud on social media right now about how dangerous men are