I swear, I’ve read a few of these and they sound like they’re playing some kinda fantasy tabletop game that’s stupid thick with weird rules and builds, and their staring at all of us like “obviously you can mix a hexblade with an abrant mind for optimal spells and subtle spells, and the DM is pissed I got silvery barbs, but I showed him how it’s an official spell so they should let me use it, but if i get aspect of the moon I don’t have to sleep so I can short rest to replace my spells lots for free and then I can convert…”
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Hahahaha it does!
Welp… this post just confirmed to me what I’ve been suspecting about a friend I’ve been distancing myself from for years. I didn’t realize they call themselves “nationals,” so he’s definitely a sovcit of the “moorish” variety based on a few things he’s said. Progressively more and more fucking exhausting to talk to over the last ten years with the woo woo moronic shit and this is the most recent nonsense.
Definitely a sovcit. Some of them are Moorish Temple adherents, usually they are black. Others call themselves American state nationals or sometimes secured party creditors. Or private citizens is another one.
He is black, and I’m guessing moorish temple based on his comments and other things he’s dabbled in. Most of what he dabbles in has roots in black nationalism that I recognize. Funnily enough, there’s occasional veiled nazi shit I think he’s unaware of, though given the far right nature of it all, I’m not surprised his uninformed ass stumbles across them. What is also strange, I do not think he harbors racial hate, though he may have some homo/transphobia. I’m not entirely sure because I’m not interested in listening to that shit. Though it would fit with the far right pipeline.
Sovereign citizens began in a white supremacy group known as Christian Identity in the 1970s so that’s not at all a surprise to me. Sovcits are also HUGELY antisemitic and hate LGBT people. Your friend definitely sounds like he fits to me. He’s probably in some of the Facebook groups I’m in as some of them are Moorish.
He was permanently banned from Facebook last year, lol. Idk what he did, but he has asked me to create an account for him to eventually take over because I don’t have one. I flatly refused and expressed that it is probably best for him anyway. The LGBT hate is definitely an interesting turn for this particular guy, known him twenty years, but given the slow spiral I’ve watched, I’m not surprised. Last time we talked, he mentioned “learning more history,” but he quickly followed it up with “but I’m done trying to convince people” before I could respond. I wanted to ask if that was a promise, goddamn.
Probably means Black’s law dictionary which is their favourite tome of crazy laws they refer to. I probably have ran across him in my sovcit travels.
I dont think I could spend the time interacting with these folks like you do, I get so aggravated and exhausted with folks like this. If you have ran into him saying dumb shit, I’m sorry, lol.
I have an interest in right wing extremists is why I’m in there, I also have infiltrated all the Nazis of Facebook with my fake account and regularly pass along information to my FBI contact re their activity. Sovcits are just an amusing diversion in extremism for me because nothing they ever do works out for them ever but the ways they try are always hilarious.
It’s roleplay. These people are roleplaying administrative skills, with fantasy names and concepts
That is really well said
It’s frustrating, because there’s a kernel of truth to all this. Government identities exist to manage credits and debts. If you’ve got a driver’s license and you’re caught speeding (or merely accused of it by a cop with a quota to fill), then you can be assigned a debt that can be used to garnish wages or seize property.
But… there’s no secret cheat code to avoiding these debts by simply denying the identity a government has on file isn’t yours. And while we can argue the fairness of the system, I don’t think there’s any doubt of its efficacy. A sheriff and his deputies can absolutely collect, whether you consent or not.
Roleplaying like this is how these folks are coping. It helps give them the courage and the self-determination to resist the guys in uniforms who do the dirty work of the system. Its irrational, sure. But when you get down to material conditions, its either “Believe a crazy mishmash of weird shit so you can justify fighting back” or “Accept the status quo and surrender”.
Peter Griffin seceding from the USA and establishing Petoria made more sense than sovcits do.
Sovcit: people who live in a society who believe they are entitled to all its privileges without any of the responsibilities
If he wants we can buy him a ticket to a deserted island, then he can have his own little world.
Nah. He wants all the conveniences government provides without having to chip anything in for it.
Everybody got they cups, but they ain’t chipped in.
Got some sovcit an my facebook yeah i’m fucked up now
They gave him an orange jumpsuit and he’s gettin’ it on. And he ain’t leavin’ til six in the mornin’.
They’ve become hip to the stereotypes associated with that term.
Same with QAnon lately…
Makes me wonder what stereotypes we have of the two groups they would contest.
Exactly the opposite thing happened with Queer: there was nothing wrong with it and it is being reclaimed.