Half of those meetings are business MBAs asking “Why isn’t more getting done on this project?”
As opposed to non-business MNBAs of course
Isn’t that just the NBA? And what are those guys doing in business meetings?
Dunking on other projects.
Embarrassed after the WNBA had a killer season
Major in Not Business Administration? :D
Also:
MNBA may refer to:
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2-Methyl-6-nitrobenzoic anhydride, a condensing agent used in chemistry laboratories
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Mongolian National Basketball Association
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I feel this in my soul
0900 till 0930 - 15 min standup meeting.
0930 till 1000 - focus time.
1000 till 1100 - Pre meeting for customer meeting at 1100.
1100 till 1200 - Customer meeting.
1230 till 1300 - Post Meeting catchup.
1300 till 1330 - focus time.
1330 till 1430 - JIRA board update meeting.
1430 till 1500 - priorities review meeting.
1500 till 1645 - focus time.
1645 till 1730 - EOD standup.“Are you don’t yet? Why aren’t you done yet? Help me update infinite plans that will be outdated in a week. Also, I just promised a bunch of stuff… all that stuff we already promised, I think you can do that faster.”
When I was a dev, I once had a PM with no technical skills that decided he would “learn to program to help catch us up”… He did not succeed.
You get focus time?
Also, what the hell is the point in an EOD standup if you’re gonna have another one in zero working minutes?
You block it out and call it something else
Sitting in a meeting right now…
This is such a an accurate comment.
Does a lot happen between an EOD standup, and the morning standup? Pick a lane lol
Well yea, plenty happens between 1700 and 0900. That is why the 15 min standup takes 30 min.
They need to have full calendars so that they look productive. Those meetings are for them, not for you. You still have to attend tho.
Got to hate those meeting where you are marked as optional but you are required to attend.
And the ones where you have to discuss what’s coming up in the next meeting. Meetings about meetings. We call them metameetings.
We do standups twice a week. At worst they run a half hour for my team of about 10 people. Usually we’re done in 15-20 minutes. Please tell me it’s just an absolutely made up joke that you have an hour and 15 minutes of stand up meetings every day. I would shoot myself.
Don’t worry mate, it is a joke. But judging by the other comments it is closer to reality than a joke for some.
Hey, you are actually double booked for the
nth meeting for annual “Goals” that’s coming up!Too real.
Do you have excess creative energy?
Pour it into discussion that achieves nothing of value.
Have you considered writing your own projects that you have to hide from your employers, and be careful with whom you discuss, so as to avoid the legal complications of the company owning your work?
Yes, that’s generally the job of a senior engineer.
Agreed. Use your experience to shape the direction your teammates are moving in. Be an architect, and let them handle your light work.
It depends VERY much about the content and invitees of the meetings.
If you’re there to give your expert engineering feedback, awesome. If you’re there to receive the information you need in order to provide expert engineering feedback, awesome.
So often, I find, meetings are too broad and end up oversubscribed. Engineers are in a 2 hour meeting with 10 minutes of relevance.
There are serious differences in meeting culture, with vast implications oh the amount of efficacy you can juice from the attendees.
I’ve worked in a few places, all with senior engineers, including myself as a senior engineer, all of which the senior engineers spent most of their time actually engineering. If I went somewhere as a senior and was told I was going to be in meetings all day, I would quit because that’s management, not engineering.
No it isn’t - a senior engineer should be a technical track professional that’s excellent at their job - it’s likely there will be a fair amount of mentorship but that can take many forms including PR reviews and pair programming.
A technical lead, architect, or a front line manager is the one that should be eating meetings four to six hours a day. And absolutely nobody should be in eight hours of meetings a day - even bullshit C level folks should be doing work outside of meetings. Eight hours of meetings means that you’re just regurgitating the output of other meetings.
I’d clarify that having occasional eight hour meeting days isn’t bad, there might be occasional collaboration jam sessions that everyone prepares for… but if your 8-5-52 is solid meetings then nothing productive is happening.
Fully agree. Not every high paying job has to end up with management duties. That’s the Peter Principle.
Where I work, Senior Engineer is an IC role. They attend the same meetings as other engineers. Its the Staff+ Engineers and managers that attend more meetings (in ascending order)
I mean I’m a senior engineer and I mostly handle escalations and high priority client issues, but my work is mostly break/fix
Engineer should still be an IC position and not have that many meetings. It should be a project or team lead that does the majority of meetings.
This is largely semantic, and highly subjective, but to me “Engineer” implies more design, architecture, and planning (ie, meetings).
A Senior “Developer” would imply more day-to-day coding to me. Not that companies care what I think, of course.
Of course there’s no point in trying to rationalize this 'cos these people use meetings to try justify their usefulness to the company (HR does the same with random activities), so you end up drawing red lines with invisible ink…
I wanted to write code with more authority and higher wage, not sit in endless meetings and explain to somebody why it’s 8 story points instead of 5 🙄
Talk to your manager, they’re really fucking failing to support you. When I was a senior data architect I had about two hours of meetings a day.
I just got a Jr dev job about 3 weeks ago and I haven’t written a single line of code. It’s all been meetings and other shit. I’m kind of ok with that. Lol
I think this is something a lot of people posting here don’t get. You can be a programmer, make apps or games in your spare time, set your own goals and be your own boss, and that’s great. Suddenly you get a “normal” job programming and you have you deal with customer requirements, business nonsense, and working as part of a team; that’s being a software engineer. One isn’t superior to the other, they are just different beasts.
Absolutely. There is very little programming involved in a normal job most of the year. I actually knew that before getting in. I have friends on the same team that have been there before me and they explained things beforehand. I have so many meetings and business stuff daily. We also reach out to users to help them fix issues on their machines, too.
I love planning.
“planning”
I worked in places like this and I’m not going back unless consulting prices go back up again… The pain is real.
Just find a place that hasn’t solidified their IT structure and processes enough for people to have time to invent BS overhead.
THE STANDARD PRACTICE IS WHATEVER I SAY IT IS JANICE! how are business critical things no one knew existed breaking
Get out of my head, Charles
Are you like trying to keep my unemployed?
This is not the first time I’ve seen memes like this, and it makes me so glad I’m not involved in programming or software development. I would straight up die.
If you can find a comfy mid level role or a “real” senior role that is mostly code it’s a very rewarding career. But yeah I’d lose it with day long meetings
I knew I finally made it to a senior role when I started to do nothing but paperwork.
not my experience at all across 3 separate companies. Ime senior engineers are the highest level that still spends most of the day heads down most days, and that’s why I’m gonna stick it out at this level as long as I can.
No, this is incompetent management.
Senior engineers write enabling code/scaffolding, and review code, and mentor juniors. They also write feature code.
Lead engineers code and lead dev teams.
Principal engineers code, and talk about tech in meetings.
Senior Principal engineers, and distinguished technologists/fellows talk about tech, and maybe sometimes code.
Good managers go to meetings and shield the engineers from the stream of exec corporate bs. Infrequently they may rope any of the engineers in this chain in to explain the decisions that the engineers make along the way.
Bad managers bring engineers in to these meetings frequently.
Terrible managers make the engineering decisions and push those to the engineers.
