Do any of them know what the word “liberal” actually means?

  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Being anti-leftist =/= being reactionary

    I understand we define them differently, but do you fundamentally disagree with the spectrum of “Leftist (revolutionary) – Progressive – Conservative – Reactionary” ?

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      5 months ago

      Yes, I fundamentally disagree with that.

      Rejecting Socialism and the progression towards Worker Ownership is Reactionary behavior. You identify as a progressive, but you oppose all Socialism, and support Liberal Capitalism with robust social safety nets (unless you’ve pivoted).

      You are therefore a reactionary.

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        5 months ago

        How would you distinguish between Manchin Democrats, McCain Republicans, and MAGAs? I would call the former two “conservative” and the latter “reactionary”, but if you consider all of them to be reactionary, what labels would you use to differentiate them?

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          5 months ago

          They are indeed all reactionary, though I would use Liberal and Fascist. All 3 are conservative liberals, and all 3 reject leftist movement, but MAGA in particular is a fascist movement.

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            5 months ago

            Ok that makes sense. So Elizabeth Warren vs Joe Biden vs Joe Manchin? Any differences there?

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              5 months ago

              Minor. All 3 are liberals and all 3 are reactionary. Getting into the weeds for specifics won’t really change their overall labels.

              They all support “current system + minor tweaks,” and the “current system” part does heavier lifting than “minor tweaks.”

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                5 months ago

                Is there anyone who is neither a leftist nor a reactionary? Or do you think everyone has to be either for worker ownership (leftist) or against it (reactionary)?

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                  5 months ago

                  It’s a spectrum, unintentional anti-leftism due to a lack of information isn’t as reactionary as fascism, but both are reactionary.

                  Generally, you either support moving on to the next mode of production, or you reject that movement.

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                    5 months ago

                    Got it. I still reject your central premise of hard labels regardless of real-world context, but everything you’re saying makes sense and is internally consistent within that premise.