No it’s a body altering drug that directly impacts sensitive hormones balances that our bodies use for regulation and development.
It’s still a life altering drug even if it’s not addictive. Your argument doesn’t make sense cause it’s got a huge impact if it can be bought by anyone with access to digital currency. And is it a lot of people? The trans community is supposedly only a fraction of a percent to a percent of the overall populace. People are suffering from the underfunded healthcare in much more dire ways than cosmetic medications.
Are we ok with people selling chemo medication and opioids through the Internet? People have pain and are dying of cancer and need the drugs too.
You are upset because of the community it impacts not the actual problems it represents.
There is not a lot of trans people so it’s okay to fuck them over.
Literally what is your point there?
“Uhh it’s only millions of people we are denying healthcare to and then criminalising when they want to get support themselves and not billions, rookie numbers.”
Cosmetic medication
So at the same time it’s very serious and dangerous but also just a stupid silly cosmetic thing?
The answer is that no, it’s not just a cosmetic thing, there is a mountain od evidence for proven therapeutic effects of hrt, these drugs save people’s lives.
If we let people sell fireworks online what’s stopping someone from selling a nuke??? Explain this leftists???
Clearly chemo needs a higher amount of expertise to prescribe and the treatment needs to be watched much more carefully, and estrogen clearly has less abuse potential than opioids.
You are upset because of the community it impacts not the actual problems it represents.
Ah yes, we all know trash girlfriend at lemmy dot world who loves the current fucked up UK healthcare system except for when it comes to trans people.
I am mad because that system is disproportionately hard on the community, I am mad because people like you love to dismiss our problems and suffering as frivolous without ever trying to first engage with our experiences.
For my whole life I’ve been living in less than great places in regards to trans healthcare, without being able to solve this problem myself, I would not be here.
Not all drugs but yeah that’s why you can’t just buyosy of them on the Internet.
I didn’t say the things you are thinking I said.
You have your problems of what you desire in life and so do the rest of us. Yeah it’s annoying that we live in the modern age where money and resources could buy you the body you want but you can’t get it but that’s true for people with worse disability than you and it’s a lot less fixable.
Everyone is suffering and you living your suffering has got the idea that yours is the most important which it is cause you are living it. Doesn’t mean that everything you do and support to achieve that is good. Sorry. It doesn’t.
We either live in a society where we try to help everyone and limit abuse potential for everyone or we let it be a free for all and we are clearly somewhere in the middle swinging back and forth, which means we are all fucked.
I understand your experiences and have lived them closer than you think as the Bi kid in a farming town that was bullied into multiple suicide attempts. But you don’t care. You want to be angry and you want to be right. As is tradition for humans.
I just don’t care to pretend otherwise. Things that make humans feel good about themselves are life savers regardless of what it is because it’s the only thing we crave. To feel good. Unfortunately that just isn’t life.
Can you buy Cochlear implants off the Internet to install yourself?
How about a corneal transplant?
Can I get myself new kidneys or my sister a new heart? Trust me they would be very useful for making a better life for us.
A hearing aid is absolutely not in the same realm even if it’s part of the new technological advancements that we can use money to buy to alter our physical nature. But you know that this is a different thing. You are doing a bait and switch whataboutism to diminish the actual conversation of chemical drugs that alter body chemistry being sold without a permit and prescription to anyone with access to the internet.
And here you are talking about homemade surgery when the topic of the day are pills and disability aids. All you have said in this thread is bait and switch.
It absolutely is in the same realm. Now if you wanted to compare surgery to surgery sure, but self administered medical devices can be compared to self administered medications. Now, prescription to prescription let’s talk contact lenses.
But ultimately I wouldn’t be so angry if they weren’t restricting every legitimate means as well. This is like if the government were to make me jump through years of hoops to get hearing aids and then block me from buying some off a grey market medical device website. Rather than making mainstream options more available they’re pushing people further towards sketchier options.
Always lovely when people pull the “it’s a tiny percent of people so whatever happens to them doesn’t matter”. So are disabled people. So are people with rare illnesses.
But who do you think is even going after gender-affirming hormones in the first place? It’s an unbearable risk for everyone else but whatever happens to trans people without it doesn’t matter. Funny how that is…
It’s not that it doesn’t matter. I didn’t say that and you are projecting. It’s that, it doesn’t require allowing a free for all to access hormone manipulating drugs to handle and in a better world we should absolutely be going through legitimate channels instead of praising drug lords for supplying illegally on the internet.
But it’s something you want so it’s ok.
The trans community is not the greatest or the only victim in this world. It’s unfair but praising illegal drug sales is not correct.
Edit: Disregard my first here statement. Got you confused with someone else. Yes the healthcare system is fucked but it’s fucked for everyone and again this is not literally life saving like the way that blood thinners or anti-psychotics even would be.
You jumped to attack because you are ready to do that for people you view as entirely wrong even if I absolutely agree on other topics.
But also don’t compare trans people having trouble accessing hormonal supplements to marginalized groups being flooded with addictive drugs. Christ that is a comparison that certainly doesn’t fit.
…what part of the comparison you have issue with? That trans people are a marginalized group, or that what they are seeking is not nearly as harmful, yet authorities making an issue out of it regardless.
No it’s a body altering drug that directly impacts sensitive hormones balances that our bodies use for regulation and development.
It’s still a life altering drug even if it’s not addictive. Your argument doesn’t make sense cause it’s got a huge impact if it can be bought by anyone with access to digital currency. And is it a lot of people? The trans community is supposedly only a fraction of a percent to a percent of the overall populace. People are suffering from the underfunded healthcare in much more dire ways than cosmetic medications.
Are we ok with people selling chemo medication and opioids through the Internet? People have pain and are dying of cancer and need the drugs too.
You are upset because of the community it impacts not the actual problems it represents.
Fucking all drugs are, that’s what drugs do???
Literally what is your point there?
“Uhh it’s only millions of people we are denying healthcare to and then criminalising when they want to get support themselves and not billions, rookie numbers.”
So at the same time it’s very serious and dangerous but also just a stupid silly cosmetic thing?
The answer is that no, it’s not just a cosmetic thing, there is a mountain od evidence for proven therapeutic effects of hrt, these drugs save people’s lives.
Clearly chemo needs a higher amount of expertise to prescribe and the treatment needs to be watched much more carefully, and estrogen clearly has less abuse potential than opioids.
Ah yes, we all know trash girlfriend at lemmy dot world who loves the current fucked up UK healthcare system except for when it comes to trans people.
I am mad because that system is disproportionately hard on the community, I am mad because people like you love to dismiss our problems and suffering as frivolous without ever trying to first engage with our experiences.
For my whole life I’ve been living in less than great places in regards to trans healthcare, without being able to solve this problem myself, I would not be here.
Not all drugs but yeah that’s why you can’t just buyosy of them on the Internet.
I didn’t say the things you are thinking I said.
You have your problems of what you desire in life and so do the rest of us. Yeah it’s annoying that we live in the modern age where money and resources could buy you the body you want but you can’t get it but that’s true for people with worse disability than you and it’s a lot less fixable.
Everyone is suffering and you living your suffering has got the idea that yours is the most important which it is cause you are living it. Doesn’t mean that everything you do and support to achieve that is good. Sorry. It doesn’t.
We either live in a society where we try to help everyone and limit abuse potential for everyone or we let it be a free for all and we are clearly somewhere in the middle swinging back and forth, which means we are all fucked.
I understand your experiences and have lived them closer than you think as the Bi kid in a farming town that was bullied into multiple suicide attempts. But you don’t care. You want to be angry and you want to be right. As is tradition for humans.
I just don’t care to pretend otherwise. Things that make humans feel good about themselves are life savers regardless of what it is because it’s the only thing we crave. To feel good. Unfortunately that just isn’t life.
Don’t speak for the disabled here unless you’re one of us. I can buy hearing aids off Google as I well should be able to.
Can you buy Cochlear implants off the Internet to install yourself?
How about a corneal transplant?
Can I get myself new kidneys or my sister a new heart? Trust me they would be very useful for making a better life for us.
A hearing aid is absolutely not in the same realm even if it’s part of the new technological advancements that we can use money to buy to alter our physical nature. But you know that this is a different thing. You are doing a bait and switch whataboutism to diminish the actual conversation of chemical drugs that alter body chemistry being sold without a permit and prescription to anyone with access to the internet.
And here you are talking about homemade surgery when the topic of the day are pills and disability aids. All you have said in this thread is bait and switch.
It absolutely is in the same realm. Now if you wanted to compare surgery to surgery sure, but self administered medical devices can be compared to self administered medications. Now, prescription to prescription let’s talk contact lenses.
But ultimately I wouldn’t be so angry if they weren’t restricting every legitimate means as well. This is like if the government were to make me jump through years of hoops to get hearing aids and then block me from buying some off a grey market medical device website. Rather than making mainstream options more available they’re pushing people further towards sketchier options.
No.
This might be the stupidest comment I’ve seen on Lemmy yet. I think I need to document this somehow
No it’s not. We all know we have seen dumber stuff on the Internet unless you joined yesterday. But whatever.
Always lovely when people pull the “it’s a tiny percent of people so whatever happens to them doesn’t matter”. So are disabled people. So are people with rare illnesses.
But who do you think is even going after gender-affirming hormones in the first place? It’s an unbearable risk for everyone else but whatever happens to trans people without it doesn’t matter. Funny how that is…
It’s not that it doesn’t matter. I didn’t say that and you are projecting. It’s that, it doesn’t require allowing a free for all to access hormone manipulating drugs to handle and in a better world we should absolutely be going through legitimate channels instead of praising drug lords for supplying illegally on the internet.
But it’s something you want so it’s ok.
The trans community is not the greatest or the only victim in this world. It’s unfair but praising illegal drug sales is not correct.
Who is being hurt by hrt being freely available?
You are imagining a spherical confused cis person in vacuum that’s getting hurt
The very first thing I showed you is that the legitimate channels are unusable.
But hey, it wouldn’t be the first time “illegal drug sales” are used as a pretext to attack undesirable populations.
Edit: Disregard my first here statement. Got you confused with someone else. Yes the healthcare system is fucked but it’s fucked for everyone and again this is not literally life saving like the way that blood thinners or anti-psychotics even would be.
You jumped to attack because you are ready to do that for people you view as entirely wrong even if I absolutely agree on other topics.
But also don’t compare trans people having trouble accessing hormonal supplements to marginalized groups being flooded with addictive drugs. Christ that is a comparison that certainly doesn’t fit.
…what part of the comparison you have issue with? That trans people are a marginalized group, or that what they are seeking is not nearly as harmful, yet authorities making an issue out of it regardless.
No.