NASA successfully launched Artemis 1 first try.
A disposable rocket at $4 billion dollars a pop, if not more. They built one rocket, they may build a second and maybe even a third. Eventually.
SpaceX is not building a rocket, they are building a rocket factory. A factory that will mass-produce fully reusable rockets.
Different philosophy. Play it safe and analyze everything extensively to make sure you don’t have a PR nightmare. That leads to less aggressive designs and longer schedules, but looks better for the public and Congress.
And they don’t even have a goal of more than one launch a year and billions of dollars per launch. Artemis is the same old flag waving BS: do it once to say you’re first, then lose interest.
Starship’s goals of reusability, frequent launches, order of magnitude cost reductions can be the foundation of the next jump in space industry/exploration
Oof
Imagine the equivalent happening in your head cuz his shit brain implant went sideways
Only a stupid person would compare rocket fuels to brain implants. Are you Elon ?
I hate it when a Starship Engine bursts up in flames inside my head
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Do we have a shot of SpaceX employees cheering and clapping?
I kinda got used to seeing happy faces after a catastrophic failure.
Seriously how are space launches a priority right now when we are facing global ecological collapse
You could say the same thing about literally any industry and it would be just as true
I could probably say the same about AI and crypto and mega yachts sure
But healthcare, housing, education, childcare, sustainable green energy, sustainable food production… All of them seem way more important than sending more junk into orbit.
I mean you could say the same thing about the whole entertainment industry, or the whole tech industry, or basically anything else that isn’t directly necessary for human survival.
All of them seem way more important than sending more junk into orbit.
Do you know what actually goes into orbit? Mostly 4 categories: communication satellites (both commercial and governmental), scientific monitoring, ISS support, and military satellites. Every satellite we send into space has a purpose. Without satellites, we don’t get: widespread aerial imagery, accurate weather forecasting, GPS, widespread ecological data, etc.
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Hope nobody more valuable than their dumb CEO is injured.
Fuck Musk.
It was an engine on a test stand. This sort of thing is expected from time to time.
It’s just part of the process guys
This guy gets it.
So maybe working your engineers 24 hours a day isn’t a great idea?
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Was Elmo on it??
. . . Dammit.
In the early days of Starship I was a little bit optimistic. The “move fast and break things” strategy had quickly succeeded when SpaceX was trying to land boosters, so I was hopeful that each exploding Starship was one step closer to a working spacecraft.
But at this point it’s just sad. I don’t see anything resembling progress.
I think the boosters were a “fake it till we make it” thing that luckily worked out. I don’t think Starship will ever make it into space.
It already has made it to space…
Making it to space and making it to orbit are 2 different things.
True but disingenuous. This statement is often used to mock blue origin for just going 100km straight up into space and then back down, which is very far from reaching orbit. But the flight profile of IFT-3 was so close to orbital velocity, it’s not a significant difference.
It is a significant difference. When it comes to orbit, there is no close enough, either you’re going fast enough or you’re not. They have not shown this thing can do what they say it can.
IFT-3 was completely empty and the tanks were full. Where is the weight of the crew decks, the solar panels and batteries, life support equipment, docking mechanism, food, water, and cargo? These are not trivial things, and they weigh a lot. Proving an empty shell can achieve a suborbital flight and be just barely not be in orbit is not proof of anything useful.
If they had shown there was a significant amount of delta-v left with this empty test article, then that’s one thing. But those tanks had a whisper of fuel left in them. I don’t believe for a second that it would have gotten that close when it was full of over a hundred tons of additional equipment.
Also this is just an engine test at McGregor. They used to blow them up much more often as they were finding the limits. Nowadays it’s much less common, hence why it’s news when they broke one.
Hey, go boo the actual bad shit Musk is doing. Starship is an amazing feat of human engineering. One that has already made orbit, btw.
How’s Musk doing that?
He’s not, real engineers are. That’s my point.
Funny, because what you implied is that it was Musk doing it.
When a company of his does bad it’s his fault, when one does good it’s other people’s fault?
The guy’s a fucking prick, don’t get me wrong.
Yeah, I despise Musk but the circlejerk “it’s his fault it failed / he has nothing to do with its success” (especially on Lemmy) is just ridiculous
The implication is that this guy’s hate is coming from somewhere else ✈️
Hey, go boo the actual bad shit Musk is doing.
Ok. Boo.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a-new-space-race-could-be-harming-the-earths-atmosphere
https://www.space.com/rocket-exhaust-pollution-upper-atmosphere
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021EF002612
Seriously… Are you drunk? There’s been incredible progress. It’s super exciting.
Okay? It was on a test stand. That’s what test stands are for. Isn’t stuff like this almost a weekly occurrence for them?
I don’t know how frequent it is, but the important point is the attitude that test failures can be ok. I don’t know if this one is, but yes there’s a pattern ….
Instead of being so risk averse that you take years and billions extra doing your best to create one of a kind hardware trying be perfect (NASA/Boeing), SpaceX builds many copies, iterate, test frequently, learn from failures. This approach seemed to have worked extremely well for previous rockets, so I’m still cheering them on.
Even just consider this test - the fact that they’re trying to build a rocket engine every week with the goal of automating the process well enough to have high confidence in them, can test it without the rocket, can build a rocket and attach engines later, can use a rocket and replace a failed engine. If this modular approach comes together this is huge!
…what? SpaceX is years behind schedule for delivering crewed space flight to NASA. US tax payers have had to cough up billions of dollars for seats on Russian Soyuz spacecraft to at least be able to get to space somehow in the meantime.
Iterating and failing is okay, but SpaceX has neither been faster nor cheaper in doing so than NASA’s original moon landing program.
Weekly explosions on a test pad? No. None of the integrated tests have exploded on the pad.
The last starship on the pad was mid March. It made it up, but fell apart during reentry. Before that, IFT 2 was in Nov 23, and the exploded 8 min up. IFT 1 was over a year ago, and that only made it 4 min after lift off.
Like you say, nobody is making this explosion out to be a deadly emergency but it also probably doesn’t inspire confidence when the company fails so much more often than it succeeds. Starship engines have been “unexpectedly” exploding for years.
Fails more often than it succeeds? That’s… not even close to accurate.
They’ve already had more than 50 successful missions this year.
Testing doesn’t count as a failure, it counts as test data.
I don’t think exploding was part of the test. I don’t think being investigated by the FAA in 2020 for failure to listen to warnings about unintended shockwave damage was part of their tests. I don’t think losing an entire rocket to a booster explosion last year was part of the test.
I think their tests are throwing things at the stainless steel wall and hoping it sticks.
I imagine they don’t necessarily always fail explosively. I don’t know how often this stuff actually happens.
A year or two they were blowing one up every month or so. They’ve become more rare recently as they’ve dialed in the engines.
Okay? It was on a test stand.
Test Pad, it was on a test pad.
The footage shows SpaceX’s engine test pad going up in flame.
The reason they use test pads is that iPads are too expensive.
The front fell off.
I’d just like to make the point that that is not normal.
Well, the ship was towed outside of the environment.
You must be from Reddit. I appreciate good comments like this
What’s with all the snobbery?
Do you get to the cloud district very often? Oh what am I saying, of course you don’t.
Well what was it made of?
Pickles mostly
Musk probably can’t get the good Kosher pickles anymore because he’s been promoting Nazis on Twitter.
Poorly built rocket
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A few years ago (already) I would have been sad and shocked. Now I don’t give a shit about SpaceTwitter. That douchebag managed to kill all the interest I had for space exploration, a topic I was passionate about for most of my life. He really is that kind of killjoy.
Why would you let that ruin all of space exploration for you? He’s a dick. I don’t give a crap about his company. But exploring the solar system is still absolutely amazing.
Maybe he lost interest because of all the bullshit Elon Musk promised that came to NOTHING, remember a few years back he promised there would be manned missions to Mars now… NOW!!! MANNED MISSIONS!!! They were supposed to be well along building a base on Mars that should have started 2 years ago!!
Reality may seem kind of dull compared to the fantasies Musk promised.
Personally I never believed Musk for a second, and I thought Neil Tyson was a blabbering idiot for parroting him. But many fell for it, and my wife thought I was “negative” for not believing and agreeing with them!
But things like the James Webb telescope are 100% cool.
Well, before SpaceX I looked at the space exploration program as a science enthusiast. The missions were rare but important for science. Then this dude came out of nowhere, saying he was about to save the Earth with electric cars and build a station on Mars. And for a moment it really worked. I genuinely thought he was a good billionaire. Then he completely loose his mind, start talking and acting like the worse moron of the universe, and I started studying his statements without the shiny distorting layer. He’s so full of shit it makes me sick. Most of the things he says is nonsense.
So I can’t tell why my brain works that way, but it does. Today I’m more exited by new ways to produce renewable energies on Earth than I am about rockets. That joy I felt for any SpaceX news slipped away.
My comment was just the realization of that. That was weird to be honest, but true.
The people on lemmy are college kid level extremist on literally everything and it would be funnier if it weren’t so exhausting.
college kid level extremist on literally everything
It’s really wearing me out on this platform.
I’m stealing that quote BTW. You can’t stop me.
Yeah this is too accurate LMAO. I use Arch btw.
But hating people is more important than accomplishing stuff, isn’t it?
Elon Musk promised manned missions to Mars by now, and the beginning of building a base should have started already 2 years ago.
There are many good reasons to hate Musk, he is a liar and a con man.
SpaceX is still making tremendous progress compared to NASA. I’m as annoyed with Musk as everyone else, but it’s looking like they’re the biggest hope we have right now of actually making progress with space exploration.
But are they really making progress? NASA has pured billions into SpaceX, are they really getting what they were promised? AFAIK the answer to that is No-No-No and No, because they are so far behind, and haven’t met any requirements for what SpaceX was supposed to do for the NASA manned moon mission Artemis.
It’s yes yes yes yes. You couldn’t he more wrong.
SpaceX launched the biggest rocket every to be launched in history, three times at this point, and you’re questioning whether they’re “making progress?”
As I said, you’ve prioritized hating Elon Musk over everything else.
This is focused more on NASA’s problems with the Artemis program, but I highly recommend reading this article.
Basically the whole Artemis mission plan is riddled with issues, and SpaceX and Blue Origin are required to have major breakthroughs in space refueling tech for their required roles to even be possible. With how many different issues the project has, it looks like the only good thing we may get out of the project is these breakthroughs (if they happen).
@Fubarberry @Buffalox “Smarter Every Day” on Youtube did a talk pointing out the issues with artemis, to a room full of stakeholders.
it was glorious.
If you think he’s a liar and a con man, then why even bring up his promises? They’re obviously false. SpaceX has done great work despite who their current CEO is.
He was saying several years ago that he would be start building a Mars base in 2022 and have manned missions in 2024 which are both basically no closer today than they were then, that was a lie.
He said he would build hyperloops that would be cheap fast efficient across the country, that was a lie, that we now know was to stop building public transport.
He said in 2016 that full self driving that was safer than a person driving would be ready in 2017, and that was something they could do TODAY (in 2016). He repeated that lie in 2019, even claiming people could make up to $200000 per year if they bought a Tesla, because they could drive as autonomous taxi’s beginning 2020. He claimed buying anything other than a Tesla would be stupid, because Tesla cars were the only ones that could do that. Except they couldn’t and they still can’t.There is a very clear picture that Elon Musk is lying through his teeth, and he cons people into investing in and buying his products under false pretenses.
Okay? I thought we already established that he’s a liar. You really sound like a fan of the guy since you follow his every word, but none of this detracts from the accomplishments of the engineers working at these companies.
Wow talk about blaming someone else for your waning interest. If you were really into space exploration, you wouldn’t let one person come in the way. A person who doesn’t even know you. Or you don’t know either technically. I’m no Elon shill and I dislike him like everyone else. But I’ll be damned if I lose interest in space just because of him. Even if the whole world was a douchebag, I’d still get out telescoping equipment and gaze at the skies. And oh by the way, if not for SpaceX do it for NASA who were there way before anyone else. Do it for your ancestors who looked at the sky in amazement every night.
I know how you feel I used to love watching all the SpaceX launches, but I just can’t bring myself to care anymore about anything Musk is involved in.
Sad to be you. Starship is super exciting
