Background Info:
Recent events and news about water scarcity got me thinking about this. So the question is essentially the title. Or am I missing something?
If you live anywhere that uses a sewer system rather than septic tanks, isn’t it already doing that?
In my area, the water company pulls in from the river, filters and processes it, and pipes it out to homes. It gets used in the homes, discharged into the sewer to a treatment plant, treated, and then pumped back into the river.
Even if your water company’s intake is before the sewage treatment plant, the next town’s intake is downstream. So if you’re not drinking your neighbor’s processed toilet water, you’re drinking that of the town upstream.
Is getting mixed with river water simply enough to “dilute” the ick-factor here, or is there something I’m missing?
Same reason I don’t go to the butchery to watch my sausage get made. Just do it and don’t tell me.
I don’t understand that either
Cheap sausages here are commonly referred to as ‘lips and assholes’ or ‘hooves and sawdust’. We’re pretty blunt about these things.
here
Where?
Probably everywhere. Here in the NorthEast US, I’ve heard plenty of people describe hot dogs that way. I mean, come on, you throw all the leftover bits and pieces into the grinder to make sausage: what bit and pieces end up in the cheapest sausage?
Definitely not everywhere. I’m from the Midwest and I’ve never heard of sausages, cheap or otherwise, referred to as “lips and assholes” or “hooves and sawdust”. Lol.
New Zealand
That’s pretty critical information. Lol.
Thank you.
It’s kinda like the question of “how big does the body of water have to be before you’re comfortable swimming with a corpse?” Like we all know that’s how it works, but making a direct correlation makes it much more uncomfortable.
You’re not missing anything, people are just weird about it.
Also the person who named it “toilet-to-tap” is an idiot. Reclaimed water is “toilet to tap” in the same way that a vegetable grown in compost is “garbage to garden.” There’s a host of sophisticated engineering processes in between the two, making the water just as clean as any other treated drinking water.
Mixing with river water or putting the water in a reservoir and then pumping it back out again simply makes people feel more comfortable about it and, like you said, reduces the “ick” factor.
My guess is they’re not idiots and knew exactly what they were doing… and being paid for by whoever it was that stands to lose money if reclaimed water became popular
More like it’s designed to sound disgusting in order to rub people’s noses in it when they have no choice but to go along with whatever this new plan is (for the planet).
They know we don’t have a choice, so it’s an opportunity for some sadistic person to maximize the discomfort of this unavoidable process.
And I don’t mean unavoidable physically. I mean unavoidable legally.
Water is water. Get the “not water” stuff out of it, and you have … water. Add back in some “stuff that probably should be in potable water,” like minerals and fluoride, and there’s no problem.
You can build a bush filter with grasses, rocks, sand, and charcoal from your campfire which will catch most of the particulate, then boil it to make sure you kill all the parasites. The only thing a municipal filtering station might add to that would be removal of heavy metals and actual testing.
Water has memory! And while the memory of a long-lost drop of onion juice seems infinite, it somehow forgets all the poo it’s had in it!
The number of people who believe in homeopathy after it’s explained to them is TOO DAMN HIGH.
I thought for the longest time that homeopathy was just a generic name for alternative medicines or something. Wasn’t for me regardless so I never gave it a second thought or dug into it.
Someone recently explained what it was to me and I just started laughing. Hilarious. Kinda. I had no clue.
So what is it?
It’s the idea that water has memory, and that memory-water has healing abilities. I’m not going to explain it more than that but there’s no shortage of online sources to both explain it and disprove it.
Don’t forget the idea that diluting the original substance in water until literally none remains supposedly makes it stronger.
I didn’t, but as I said, I don’t feel like explaining it more than I did.
Oh lol
It’s a term that refers to any medicinal strategy which includes providing small amounts of the same pathogen or another substance which causes the same symptoms.
homeo = matching the
pathy = diseaseTwo examples of mainstreamed homeopathic treatments are:
- the administration of a rabies vaccine to someone suspected of already being infected
- the use of capsaicin creams to treat chronic pain
It’s differentiated from “allopathic” medicine, which is when you use something that the opposite or indices opposite symptoms.
allo = opposite of the
pathy = diseaseMost mainstream medicine is allopathic medicine:
- taking an anti inflammatory drug to reduce inflammation
- taking beta blockers when your blood pressure’s too high
- using lenses which produce -3.5 diopters of focus when your eyes have a +3.5 diopter focus deficit
In a drive to provide supply for the desire to make fun of people, the internet has decided homeopathy refers to mega-diluted water potions. It’s classic straw man shit writ large, fur the satisfaction of mocking people.
Homeopathy = pushing the same direction as a disease, to trigger the body’s own anti-disease mechanisms
Allopathy = pushing back against the disease with the medicine, because the body’s anti-disease mechanisms are exhausted or absent
That was very detailed thank you
The fact that it’s not zero is so weird.
- “Sooo here’s a scam, proved to be a scam, based on a scam”
- “Oh so it’s natural, so it works!”
The river dilutes enough of the sewage that people don’t think about it. There are also usually laws on minimum distance between sewage outlets and water inlets.
In contrast, reclaimed water isn’t diluting treated water, it is the treated water, generally without the plausible deniability in saying that nature helped clean it.
Usually the water that will become tap water is also not pumped directly from the river but is bank filtrate from nearby underground.
I honestly think because they haven’t been to the treatment plant and tasted the water straight out of it. It’s better than out of the tap.
Funny you mention that.
Our city’s treatment plant was a frequent field trip destination. I think I went 3 times (two different class trips, and once again with my engineering club). All 3 times, the plant manager gave the tour and concluded it by drinking a glass of water out of the output pipe to show how clean the water was that they were putting back into the river. (Supposedly, anyway).
As proud as he was for what they did there and of the standards they had, I’m going to give him the benefit of doubt that it was the actual effluent from the plant he was drinking. He always seemed fine and never hesitated to down a glass of it.
So yeah, like you said, people probably haven’t been exposed to that to know how clean the water that comes out of treatment plants usually is.
The dude who used to run the local plant (since retired and moved away, we’ve lost touch) was a friend. He’d bring the church youth group out for tours and I helped run the group, so I tagged along because hey, small town it’s something to do. I mean the local spring is better, but are we really comparing filet mignon and cube steak?
Psychology, and sensible evolved repulsion from waste. MinuteEarth made a video about this, which you should watch (it’s only 2:53), but I’ll quote a key part: “we can trick ourselves out of our irrational disgust by doing irrational things like letting recycled water sit in tank for a while before we drink it.” Do see the full video for context.
I was expecting the video to be like 20 min long but it was actually very short. I don’t know how I feel about it but I am a follower of this channel now.
Beware the binge trap! For I have succumbed to it time and time again.
I watched a documentary on this awhile back. The municipality asked the public if it would be enough for them to dump treated water into a lake and then draw from that lake? And then someone with expertise in the matter commented that this would necessitate another treatment phase, since any wild animal could take a dump in the lake. So he seemed to think closing the loop made the most sense from a practical standpoint.
My poop feeds the fishes. My city has a giant protected watershed so we drink only the finest bear poop, piped directly into our homes, then our waste is treated, fermented for 30 days until ripe, and pumped out to sea
An inability to think past knee-jerk emotions. It’s a common problem.
I just assumed we already were (well, was, in my case, having moved to a place with septic). Several of my family worked in wastewater treatment. It doesn’t bother me
If you’re in the Boston area or nearby suburbs the all the sewage goes to the Deer Island treatment plant which eventually pumps the treated water out into the Atlantic…
