Killing things just so they’re dead isn’t a good way to live on this planet. There are plenty of reasons to control populations of different species, but only so we can continue living in the society that’s been built.
I think it’s on account of it creating super germs. Correct? Not entirely sure, I guess I could click the link but I am about to hop off and don’t need to wander down another rabbit hole.
This aligns with what I’ve always been told. The mechanical action of thoroughly washing your hands for 20 seconds + the surfactant in the soap is enough to allow the subsequent rinse and dry to physically remove shit from your hands.
Same with your pits and junk. Just a normal bar of unscented soap is all you need to not be stinky and prevent bacterial growth particularly during the summer. Unless you have special needs based on skin conditions or gland conditions of course.
but i like smelling like pineapples and coconuts
Better than beef and cheese.
That’s something a lot of people seem to miss.
Do I need Ritual of Oudh body scrub after my Summer Rain shower gel and afterwards before going out some Serendipity parfume? Fuck No! Does it help me feel good and I frankly got enough negativity in my life already and need some positive feelings? Yeah!
You don’t need antibacterial soap at all, if anything it hurts your immune system in the long run.
Your skin is dead. It’s not hurting your immune system in any way.
The antibacterial soaps also help create supergerms that can survive the antibiotic used. They should only be used in medical settings when necessary. The overuse of antibacterial soaps and antibiotics are going to help create more pandemics should enough bacteria become antibiotic-resistant.
Is antibacterial soap using antibiotics though? I thought it was just using something like alcohol to kill off bacteria and not an actual antibiotic.
They don’t seem to use the same active ingredients as antibiotics, but the concern of bacterial resistance still apples.
"The [FDA] issued a proposed rule in 2013 after some data suggested that long-term exposure to certain active ingredients used in antibacterial products — for example, triclosan (liquid soaps) and triclocarban (bar soaps) — could pose health risks, such as bacterial resistance or hormonal effects. "
There’s another web page from the FDA entitled “Antibatcerial Soap? You Can Skip It, Use Plain…” however I can’t open the link to see if there’s mote talk about bacterial resistance.
Friendly reminder people can stop eating meat at any point if they don’t want to contribute to problems like this.
Your getting downvoted because bacteria exists regardless of farm/ag.
That’s very true, but also, the overuse of antibiotics on livestock dwarfs any overuse normal people are doing. We need to make the farmers stop, too.
No they don’t. The stuff they put in soap to kill germs has nothing at all to do with antibiotics taken to stop infections.
You win this round. It does state that triclosan hasn’t been allowed use in soap in the US for the past 7 years, though. So that’s not in any of the soaps here.
It’s still dumb as hell. It’s a moving target, with one antibiotic being replaced by another. It’s impossible for any scientific study to show something doesn’t cause super bugs since it would need to test against every single virus. They can only show that they DO cause super bugs against a specific one.
Plus, again, completely unnecessary in the first place. We need to stop fucking around with things like antibiotics in soaps, new chemicals on nonstick cookware, new types of plastics in our food containers, etc.
Yeah, they don’t use that specific ingredient anymore, however the same concern is still there. Some bacteria could survive the soap if everyone using said soaps don’t wash their hands properly every time they use the soap.
If I recall correctly from a report early in the covid pandemic, regular soaps attach to the cell membrane of bacteria and to oils/debris on the hands. Physically rubbing your hands together for the 2 minutes rips the bacterial and viral matter apart and dislodges whatever other debris is on them and then the water pulls the soap and everything attached to it down the drain. There’s nothing really for the bacteria or viruses to adapt to in that scenario.
Two minutes? Surely you jest? No one washes their hands for two minutes.
Lol, sorry I recently went to the dentist and the 2 minutes to brush your teeth was fresh.
Hand washing should be 20 seconds of scrubbing after lathering your hands in soap.
Fwiw, this has been a thing in medical circles for a while now. I’ve been out of the field since 2008, and we had switched away from antimicrobial soaps already, even out here in the boonies.
So, no need to worry much about it.
My possibly unpopular opinion is that just using water is probably more than sufficient unless you’ve been handling something that has visibly stained your hands. Some level of “dirt” on your hands is probably better for your immune system than perfectly clean ones. I’ve never been much of a hand washer myself. I use my hands a lot, I touch everything, I don’t wear gloves at work and I bite my nails. Yesterday I pulled carrots from the ground and rubbed worst of the soil away onto grass and ate them like that. I can’t help but feel that behavior like this is to thank for the fact that I’m never sick and I have zero allergies or food intolerances.
Well, let’s agree to respect each other’s opinion, no matter how wrong your’s might be.
Water won’t prevent the spread of disease. Things like flu viruses, C diff, jock itch, antibiotic resistant bacteria, etc will spread if you don’t use soap.
If you’re healthy and just staying at home, sure it doesn’t hurt to be eating some dirt bacteria. But you should use soap after being in public places, at hospitals, after pooping, or after touching genitals or feet.
Like you, I stick all kinds of shit in my mouth, got a real oral fixation. OTOH, I wash my hands frequently with homemade soap. And also like you, I rarely get sick.
If you don’t give your immune system a workout, it seems to taper off.
I’ve seen less and less anti-bacterial soap available at retail anyway.
I was trying to buy some at target about a month ago and there were only like 2 options that even claimed to be soap. The rest were “hand wash” and all of it was weird generic brands I’d never heard of. I haven’t used it yet but I do not feel confident with that purchase at all.
I never stopped to ask what is in " antibacterial" soap that makes it such? Do they straight-up put an antibiotic in it like fucking Neosporin?
Then you’ve got “hand sanitizer” which is usually just denatured ethanol and some gelling agent.
Not sure. I would have been happy with just a product from a brand I recognized that actually claimed to be soap without weird marketing weasel words.
I’ve reduced to antibacterial in the bathroom only and any old soap in the kitchen. Could be I don’t need the bathroom one either.
All soap is anti-bacterial.
It would appear lemmy has deemed your post worthy of a dog pile because another user came along to nitpick, by accusing you of nitpicking.
Yes folks, all soap is antibacterial, and that’s a great point to make in this thread. Plain soaps pops their cell walls quite nicely. I roll my own olive oil soaps and it’s wonderful.
Then what do people mean when they say normal soap and antibacterial soap and how does that affect what I should be using after handling raw meat or just going to the toilets etc?
“Antibacterial” is somewhat of a marketing gimmick. Yeah, those have extra microbial killing chemicals, but plain soap kills plenty well enough, pops their little lipid walls.
