President Volodymyr Zelensky on Aug. 31 called on the U.S., the U.K., France, and Germany to allow Ukraine to use long-range weapons to strike targets in Russia.
“I appeal to the U.S., the U.K., France and Germany. We need the ability to genuinely and fully defend Ukraine and Ukrainians. We require both: permissions for long-range capabilities and your long-range shells and missiles,” Zelensky said in his evening address.
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Kyiv has long argued that restrictions on the use of long-range weapons are stifling its war effort, while Washington claimed that allowing Ukraine to hit deep into Russian territory with its weapons could escalate the conflict.
I’m at a point where I’m starting to think USA doesn’t want Ukraine to “win” the war, just “fight the war indefinately”. They don’t want either side to lose, but they want Ukraine to look on top.
Biden is afraid of what it will mean if Russia loses the war. His mindset is quite ossified on a number of topics, and this is one of the biggest ones.
I’m all for giving Ukraine everything it needs to teach Russia a lesson that they can’t forget.
But while I disagree with it, I still understand their fear of a humiliated Russia, they’re erratic at the best of times.
Still, they broke the peace of Europe, the price they have to pay for that is blood, and it is very high.
I’ve thought that since Russia first invaded. Really feels like the US is just trying to bleed Russia for as long as possible.
The US wants Ukraine to drain Russian resources and fight to the last Ukrainian…
Yes, they are “boiling the frog”. The strategic goal of the US is not Ukraine winning, it’s Russia losing. By grinding up Russian resources month after month, the US can maximize the long-term damage to Russia by destroying their resources (e.g. money, military equipment, soldiers/workforce).
That’s not it, that’s what Russia is trying to pitch to discourage Ukrainians.
The actual answer is less evil and more sad:
We weren’t prepared and when the war started we didn’t think Ukraine would fight, we figured they would lose in a month or 2.
When your whole geopolitical assessment is blown out of the water, you tend to move forward cautiously, because at the level they operate, cautious is always considered the right move with so much at stake.
Plus, domestic politics means committing makes it a political issue, and as a political issue, the dems could lose the election on this alone. If the Russians actually understood us they could use this in ways you couldn’t imagine, but fortunately their tools are still crude.
Took you a while to realize that war is a business
Well…I took Biden at his word. I thought him having actual empathy meant he could empathize with Ukrainian mothers losing their sons. I thought the goal was to bring the war to an fnd without causing WWIII. I thought it was a balancing act.
But now I see no balancing act. I just see a never ending war, played like a game, with human lives as the game pieces. Thrown around like monopoly money. But these people are actual real people. Having their home invaded by a ruthless dictator who claims to be anti-nazi, but is legitimately the modern day hitler.
I guess I’m just disappointed in my country for treating war like a game, and ignoring the death tally.
It’s been like this since the beginning of human societies. And every time the people in charge keep lying and convincing it’s citizens it’s way more than just a game. Last century it was religion, this century is human rights.
The only consistent mistake is the stupid citizens buy it everytime. You’ve just woken up. Hate to tell you, it never gets better.
This is a perfect way to weaken Russia for a looong time both militarily and economically.
China will be the next one to do something stupid and a weak Russia is a good thing when it happens
/Claps Hands!
Nailed it in one!
I’m so proud of you. You figured it out Charlie! See the US is tooling up to fight China. Cuz China is basically supplanting the US on virtually every front. And despite all our big shit talk about fighting the next 3 biggest threats simultaneously, we can’t do that. Not anymore. The military can’t replace soldiers cuz everyone’s too fat or too high or too generally mentally unfit to hold a weapon. All the force projection we have doesn’t mean shit without logistics to keep it operational. The very last thing GovCo wants is Russia tagging in and helping China when we make our play on Taiwan.
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Wikipedia about this sourceI’m down. Let them use everything they can until Russia either gets the fuck out of Ukraine or becomes New Ukraine.
Well, everything within the Geneva conventions. Unlike Russia.
Nuke Putin, please?
I’ve been really well behaved and have done all my homework…
I like this world. I don’t want it to end.
I heard someone saying this would start a full scale war, as if the Ukrainians haven’t already been at war and under invasion. Hitting the invading country inside its own borders is an old and well used strategy.
It is easier to ask forgiveness than to ask permission. :)
Which is great for wearing your boyfriend’s hoodies, but is slightly more problematic when dealing with geopolitical scales and, you know, countries giving you weapons that you absolutely need to not be steamrolled by an invading force.
And they’re only a few thousand votes away from losing that support as-is.
