• IcePee@lemmy.beru.co
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    9 days ago

    This is yet another nail in the coffin of physical media. Or, in other words games you actually own instead of long term lease.

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      9 days ago

      IDK. Between the price tag and lack of the disc drive IDK how many people are gonna buy this thing. It’s probably just for people who HAVE to have the highest graphics, to keep them from getting a gaming PC until the PS6 is ready for them.

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        8 days ago

        I’m not sure. If that is their strategy they’re dancing on a razor. I mean, the market is pretty slim. Basically, you can get a pretty sweet gaming PC for the price they’re offering. And if you project the amount of games you’ll get and estimate the price differential with prices of the same games on a PC you might be able to uprate the specs a few times. I would say that a PS5 with a reasonable amount of games is probably worth a similar amount to a $1k PC.

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      9 days ago

      Or, in other words games you actually own

      Newer games rarely have the entire game on the disc. Usually there’s mandatory patches that must be downloaded to play it. I’ve seen games where there’s only a few hundred MB on the disc while the whole game is maybe 15 or 20 GB.

      This means you don’t really own the game, since if Sony take down the downloads for the game, you won’t actually be able to play it any more.

      Essentially your choice is between a physical license key (the disc) plus a download of the game, or a digital license key plus a download of the game.

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        9 days ago

        And now, the physical licence path is even less accessible. The thing with the physical licence key is it’s transferrable even if the actual data is stored elsewhere. It’s a thin veneer, I mean, Sony could gate access to this data to the first account/machine that activated it. So even this advantage is taken away.

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          Some enterprise software used to (or maybe still do) use USB dongles for licensing… I’m honestly wondering if games are going to move that way too. Given the fact that practically every game needs a launch day patch, why even have a DVD/Blu-Ray if instead you could just have smaller, more reliable USB dongles? I suspect that in the next generation or two of game consoles, we’ll no longer see disc’s at all.

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      9 days ago

      It’s not like physical media makes any difference anyway these days.

      Actual disk often gets just a glorified installer, and even if it includes the entire game you’re likely to have to activate it online anyway.

      The “own your games” ship has sailed long ago, unless you only buy no-DRM and your own backups.

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        unless you only buy no-DRM and your own backups

        Going to have to plug GOG here as these are both things they offer. I try to buy games there instead of Steam, purely for this reason.

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          Going to have to plug GOG here as these are both things they offer.

          Note that this is a major selling point for GOG and available on most of their library, but unlike their early days, not everything is DRM-free.

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        8 days ago

        unless you only buy no-DRM and your own backups

        or you straight up pirate it.

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          There’s not a lot of brave souls doing this as a passionate hobby any longer. Now it’s for the clout, to inject malware, or to receive monetary donations. Or all three!

          I hope I am wrong, and we can get back to the passionate hobby, but it’s looking kinda grim from my point of view.

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            its always been for the clout in the scene. but ive been pirating shit for a couple of decades now, no malware so far.

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              If you have been doing it for a decade, then surely you’ve noticed the drop in active crackers…?

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        9 days ago

        This in my opinion is one of the valid use cases of a blockchain/NFTs: they provide provable ownership of digital goods. This means that if implemented, in the future we could actually own games music movies ebooks etc. The only remaining step would be a decentralized torrent-like system that allows the users to download the licensed content that they own via their nft.

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          I mean, I can actually own a bunch of stuff as long as it doesn’t have some sort of proprietary DRM bullshit attached to it.

          The problem isn’t that there’s no way to obtain media in a non-bullshit way. The problem is that distributors don’t want to provide media in a non-bullshit way.

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            9 days ago

            Sure, you can still own digital media, but you can’t sell or trade it like you can with a physical copy.

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              Meh. If life weren’t so focused on material gains and losses, I wouldn’t need to.

              It would also mean potential losses for the distributors, as people are (supposedly) less likely to buy directly for them.

              So, again, the problem isn’t the media, it’s the distributors.

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          If you can’t modify it, sell it or know what the game software is even doing then calling that “ownership” would be rather lacking. I mean in terms of traditional ownership, not the modern definition: “page 69 of the EULA defines “purchasing” (the software) as a limited, non-transferable lease which can stop working at any time due to dependency on a proprietary server code we will never share I fucked your mom”.

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        Thing is, that’s not how it works on PlayStation. On PS5 you can download and play games without ever connecting to wifi. The whole glorified installer is mostly an Xbox thing ever since the XB1. I’d know since I own both and usually get discs to play my games.

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        Is it possible for modern games to fit on a disk?

        I think it would be an interesting change if brand new games had a hard limit on file size so they can fit on and play from an actual disk.

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            If they use a good, 12X bluray drive, it will be quicker to install from a disk than to download it unless you’re lucky enough to have a good fiber internet connection. Even then, the servers you download from will often be overloaded and slow on release day.

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              That’s not my point. Most games do install fine from the disk.

              He’s talking about playing from the disk, too, and that’s a problem.

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          Absolutely. It just depends a lot on the game of course. A blueray disk can contain over 100 GB. But a game could be split over several disks too. It was rather common to do that with CDs on the original PlayStation.

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          The issue isn’t the game engine, it’s the texture files.

          If you don’t care what it looks like, you cut 80-90% or more from any modern game subbing low quality textures.

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        For $700 they could at least throw in a 4k Blu-ray player.

        Then again, I ponied up extra for the disc version of the original ps5 for that exact reason, only to find out the media player software is a giant piece of garbage that was clearly given no effort. So I can’t say I’m too surprised.

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        9 days ago

        It does if you rent

        I’ve been using gamefly for a while, I can’t rent digital only games

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        9 days ago

        I remember thinking it was bs when half life 2 required a steam account and now everyone loves it.