more domestic production is great
Where will they keep the child laborers?
I heard child labour was legal in the US again? Or is this not in Arizona?
That was Foxcon, not TSMC. And all of us have a LOT of shit in our homes made by Foxcon.
Not that it justifies the shit Foxcon did. Just saying that Apple got a lot of flack, even though a lot of other companies should be scrutinized for their manufacturing contractor choices. Microsoft, Sony, etc.
That’s great but, honest question: why?
We’ve spent the last few decades outsourcing key industries, where US no longer has as much manufacturing and we’re way too dependent on other countries. It took supply chain disruptions from COViD to realize how much of a bad idea that was.
We’re finally trying to recapture some of those key jobs, industries, supply chains, dependencies, starting with chips and renewable energy. THANKS, BIDEN! this is what will make America great again
Yeah that’s been my least favourite experience with Lemmy.
Many replies are hostile and highly opinionated.
I don’t have an answer for your question but it was a good question and it made me curious.
I’m in favour of domestic production but I would always want more information about it.
Apple wants to cut down on counterfeiting. The US wants to prevent supply chain issues and reduce reliance on foreign chip production. The wiki article on the CHIPS Act is a pretty good overview: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act
Uhh. Who’s counterfeiting a cpu that only basically 2 factories in the world can make? Functional fakes are a thing for some really basic chips but an apple arm cpu seems like a little much.
Perhaps unauthorized is a better word than counterfeit. The manufacturing process for CPUs often yields less than ideal chips. Perhaps they don’t hit the clock speed they’re supposed to, or maybe they consume too much power. Those chips are supposed to be discarded, but they often find their way to the black market. Sometimes those chips aren’t even failures. If a fab overproduces, they’re not just going to give Apple the extra chips. These are the things Apple worries about, and they view it as far less likely to happen if those chips are made in the US.
I should also point out that the CPU isn’t the only chip that TSMC makes for Apple. Apple wants to make sure they’re getting a cut of every replacement part that gets sold. You can’t even swap screens on two brand new iPhones without Apple giving you a hard time.
and they view it as far less likely to happen if those chips are made in the US.
How naive.
Multiple sources of production.
We learned during concentrating all of your production in one small country wasn’t a good idea. Plus having multiple sources has always been suggested in case anything goes wrong with one company you can still have some production.
Sure but there are other countries that also have cheaper manufacturing rates.
And are susceptible to interference. Samsung is also building huge manufacturing infrastructure in the US.
So now it can be subject to US interference. Geopolitics folks.
Those countries probably didn’t pay 5.5 billion dollars for TSMC to build a new facility in their country.
FUCK
E: $6.6B, according to NYT
From a business perspective: more control over the manufacturing process and less risk of getting hit by tariffs
Less risk of tariffs on China, less risk of supply chain disruptions like with the pandemic, takes advantage of incentives from the US government, and is something that is cool to advertise.
How does being in the US give you more control over manufacturing?
Tariffs are not new.
Not about being in the us specifically. But about keeping your manufacturing near your entire supply chain.
But the uncertainty of what will come soon for tariffs is
Because it’s in the US?
Yeah I got that when I put “in the US” in the comment you replied to.
It answers the question for you.
It doesn’t, and you know it doesn’t, youre just being an ass.
Nice way to be rude.
Tariffs in general aren’t new, but Trump’s tariffs were applied haphazardly and poorly determined because he doesn’t understand what they are. Avoiding that uncertainty entirely is a good idea.
Do they have bombs in them?
US, not israel.
It’s very impressive that they got such a modern process up and running in such a relatively short period of time. I understand the Arizona location is relatively new.
Maybe, but Intel operates there so the labour pool is probably quite skilled already. Perhaps good supply chains too.
Thanks, Biden! And the American taxpayer!
Yeah, they’re essentially doing trials where Arizona fab provides small amounts of sillicon that’s being validated against what Taiwan fab does. While it was planned for 2024 I’m guessing everyone thought it would be delayed. It’s quite a big win for US, they’re on track to secure domestic supply of fairly modern chips in case shit hits the fan in Taiwan.
And they managed to do that with those lazy US workers? Wow.
