I have an “umm what about” regarding “of all ages.”
Say a 15 year old girl decides to walk topless down main street. Is everyone on that street who has a security camera running going to be convicted of making child porn?
I don’t trust the legislature to have been competent enough to edit the rest of the code to reflect that change nor do I trust the thin blue line punisher sticker crowd to pass up something they can portray as a crime.
You are sexualizing nudity. This is the bulk of the problem.
- am I the one doing that? And 2. Is it the bulk of the problem?
Me personally, I have no particular need for legislated prudishness. I don’t see much of a difference between the Taliban requiring women to wear a headscarf than whatever red state requiring women to wear a top. A lot of that nonsense is done to enforce a particular religion, and I personally want all religions to be thrown in the toilet with all the other worthless assgarbage.
There was a point in time when things such as bikinis and miniskirts were seen as scandalously immodest. The people who saw them that way are mostly dead now and we can move on, which is what will ultimately happen here. Some women will start going topless to the beach, the newspapers will write some stories about it, there’ll be some arrests, there will be some court cases, there will be some laws passed, and then it’ll settle in as just a thing people do sometimes.
The problem I have is that I think people with cameras are going to be punished for incidentally filming topless girls in ways they’re not for incidentally filming topless boys. Shall I illustrate with an example?
Consider this video of a walking tour of Panama City Beach, Florida. . There are a lot of videos like this, tours of various places around the world, they’re filmed in public places, often from streets, sidewalks etc. There’s a lengthy segment where the cameraperson walks down the beach and records several boys and men without shirts on. The video is on Youtube, uncensored and monetized. No one anywhere has a problem with this because we categorically do not consider male barechestedness to be nudity.
The argument here is women and girls should be allowed to be barechested anywhere men and boys are. Okay, so the instant we make that change, we also need to change the rules that say it’s not okay to see, photograph, record or broadcast barechested women and girls. It needs to be equally okay to upload pictures of barechested women and girls to Youtube without censor bars or blurs. Because then it becomes “when he does it it’s not nudity, when she does it, it’s not considered nudity but it is still in fact nudity.” You don’t get to require people in public to avert their gaze.
There is no such thing as child porn as porn requires consent, it’s called child sexual exploitation materials.
The term “child” is ageist, the preferred term is temporally different.
Same in Ontario.
Take a chick on a date you walk down the boardwalk and take off your shirt cause its hot. She also takes off her shirt and bra and whips them out. In my mind I dont want anything serious with her anymore. She goes under fun but not wife material. Most men I know have this preference also.
You’re doing it wrong then sir!
Wow this is copypasta material here.
My neckbeard grew instantly reading that post.
You’ve been added to my banlist.
Thanks
“wIfE mAtErIaL”
Good luck even scraping the bottom of the barrel, but I guess the Karens and the crazy ones gotta have “a breadwinner” too right I mean when you get out of moms basement and get a job.
Im already married with kids and my wife doesn’t go topless in public. Like I dont even need to tell her, she grew up with morals and all that good stuff missing in these 304!
I wonder what problems you have that you have to try to boast about your so isn’t going topless outside?
Weird.
It’s not what you said. You’re allowed to have preferences and you’re allowed to have your own beliefs about modesty, and to be with someone that shares in those beliefs. It’s the way you said it that reveals shitty attitude towards women. You imply that all women should act in accordance to your beliefs and that they are somehow lesser for not being up to your wifey material standards. The world doesn’t need conform to you. You’re weirdly judgy and you’ll probably get mad that others are judging you and your opinion but you can’t be shitty and not expect people to be shitty back.
I did not imply lesser you did. I said fun! That does not mean lesser. Im judgy cause there is a pandemic of single females, go on youtube and type single mom or just single female. They are all crying that they cant find a husband meanwhile they been doing OF. Actions have consequences my friend.
They can’t find partners because MEN ARE AWFUL. Men (especially young men) are swinging so hard into fascism. Meanwhile, women are swinging the other way; or maybe standing still while the Overton window is dragged away from them. If you are looking for a man under 30, and you are not also a man under 30, you are fucked.
You might have just as well pointed at all the young fascists who can’t find tradwives because they are so fucking toxic. Blaming women is arbitrary.
Ahh yes the men blaming has begun. It has nothing to do with their OF accounts or showing their tits in public. Got it!
[blames women]
[hears counterpoint]
Ahh yes the man blaming has begun
and you wonder how we all know you’re fragile and misogynistic.
The post is about women showing their tits try and keep up here! You are all over the place!
PS: I date men and women. Where’s your insight into dating men coming from? Sitcoms?
You date men??? I thought they were awful???
Take a look at this data.
NDP is the leftist party. CPC is the right-wing party. PCP is the far-right racist party. Look at the difference between men under 30 and women under 30. This is a real thing that is really happening. It isn’t because of OF. It isn’t because of being topless. It’s because of a profound difference of values. Deal with it.
Link pls
By your own arguments, women don’t actually behave like that – going topless in public. And you know damn well that most women don’t have OF accounts. And yet we can see a massive swing in young men’s behaviour all over the world recently. Is it because they are men? Is it a coincidence that they are men and behaving badly? I don’t fucking know, but it’s a thing that is happening, and all you have in response is an attempt to deny reality.
We found an incel in the wild, holy fuck. Just as pathetic as we had been led to believe!
Incel with a family… please explain???
You should meet better men. Really fuckin bizarre take
They are all hard working family men. It don’t get better than that! Their wives dont think showing her tits in public is a good thing either.
If a woman taking her breats out in publix is enough for you guys to only reduce her to only “fun” is disgusting
Ohhh I forgot you are the only person’s opinion that matters. Got it!
Incel detected
How does an incel have a family…. Explain yourself
Just because you still live in Mommy and Daddy’s basement, doesn’t mean you have a family. More like, a family is still stuck with you!
My family meaning my wife and kid. How can I be an incel if some one can explain it to me. They say incel and dont know what it means lol
Tits are not sex organs.
The prohibition on public exposure of breasts by women and girls over 10 years old is now gone from the city code as of this week.
I never thought I’d be conflicted on this, because I am absolutely of the opinion that female breasts and nipples shouldn’t be treated as exclusively sexual body parts, especially since men have them too and we aren’t held to that standard.
But being confronted with the idea that 10-17 year old girls can now bare their breasts in public without restraint reminds me that treating female bodies as non-sexual is great as an ethos, but it is not reflective of reality, and that this specifically could be problematic.
But how to solve it? You can’t make it an 18+ only rule, or you’re further entrenching the idea that female breasts are exclusively sexual and adult, but if you let teens and tweens go topless, they will be sexualized / ogled / photographed by adult men, and that’s a bad precedent to set as acceptable. We usually treat photographs of underage female breasts as a form of CSAM, but can we still say that if we’re treating female breasts as non-sexual? This is an interesting new line to draw, given societal attitudes on adolescent nudity.
Regretfully, I believe that the true problem is men. The reason women have to cover their breasts is because they have to protect themselves from men. I’m all for bodily liberation and the de-sexualization of female existence, but we need an overhaul on our society’s attitudes towards women in general if we’re going to get there. Maybe bare breasts help get us there. Maybe girls need to learn the right way how to kick a man in the balls before they go topless.
This is a western society problem, in tribes where women don’t cover their breasts the men are interested in other parts.
So you feel that women should be arrested and prosecutable if their nipples are exposed?
That’s very misogynist. And no, you can’t argue for the law to “save the women” from all those perverts. Because the whole point of this is to free women from the bullshit laws that allows society to prosecute them while pulling double duty by effectively shaming their bodies.
Most women are not going to run around topless voluntarily. But, even if they did - say a group of girls or women decided to go skinny dipping or whatever at a lake, do you really believe they should go to jail for that?
Don’t mansplane and tell everyone these laws are for women’s own good, because they aren’t. Inventing this bizarre photographic scenario is just bizarre. It’s a fiction of your imagination and is a straw man argument.
You are correct that the true problem is men, but not how you think it is.
Are you okay? OP’s post was pretty well written, and the guy only explained his moral dilemma without being disrespectful and you come shouting down like a banshee.
His point is a totally valid one and should be discussed to alleviate any moral dilemma to be had.
To answer your question, it could be legal grey area because not all pictures depicting nudity are automatically considered pornographic, if you are speaking in terms of legal precedent regarding obscenity in the US.
To further muddy the issue, photographing other peoples kids is considered creepy by nearly everyone but it isn’t expressly illegal unless certain localities have specific statutes against it. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public places, so you have the potential situation where people are doing a presumptively legal activity in a public area where photographing that activity could be illegal depending on… intent?
Further, the courts have ruled that getting naked in public in the act of protesting something is part of protected speech. Presumably that applies to people of all ages and sexes as well but I doubt it has ever been tested.
New York, too! And a few other states, I think.
grrr muc opreson
Why is it not legal everywhere that it is for men? This is ass backwards lol. I just always assumed it was more of a women saying “not gonna do that cause pervs” type thing and how overly sexualized boobs are
Honestly, boobs are not that exciting.
Have you ever been to a topless beach? The novelty wears out after about 10 seconds and then it becomes a boring norm.
Well you’re kinda right. I’ve lived in BC and the Yukon where it’s fully legal for women to go topless and I know quite a few who have, for shorter events like naked bike ride etc. But most of them intelligently choose not to at public beaches and whatnot because of the ick factor.
I know one lady who did choose to go topless on a hot summer day in a fairly major downtown center and was accosted by cops whom she had to argue with (gladly, and loudly) for over an hour to explain to them that she was breaking no laws. They were trying to pressure her to re-robe because they were getting complaints, but again it’s true that she was breaking no laws at all. They couldn’t in the end do anything about it, and rightly so.
It’s a straw man / non issue.
In Germany are public places marked as FKK (Freikörper Kultur = Full Nudity in Public), which are literally normal areas without any special consideration in terms of visibility. Best case: There is a sign notifying the squeamish that there could be Nudity… normal Case: No one gives a fuck.
Heck, the best public baths are the sauna/thermal baths with are mandatory nude, age restriction 16+…
It has no sexual meaning … you go there, everyone is naked after 10 seconds of slight awkwardness, you forget about it and enjoy the freedom of “no cold and wet swimwear” on the body.
It’s great!
I doubt Americans are different in that perspective.
Edit: Perverts won’t have fun there. The people are average and mostly old and the behavior is casual. It’s like seeing your mom or dad naked. The few People who could get off on this have issues.
I doubt Americans are different in that perspective
Lmao
That’s all I came to say
But I thought they love “freedom” over everything?
You didn’t experience freedom when you never took a thermal bath and grilled your balls in the sun… :)
Hey I’m not saying you’re wrong about that lol But America is full of hypocrisies.
“freedom” as in “free to economic growth” but not “free” as in “free to do what you want”
Women being topless is legally allowed literally everywhere in Canada.
Also legal in Ontario, Canada. A woman was arrested for walking around topless in hot weather. She was finned by police but topless men in the area were not. Ontario courts eventually rulled this was discriminatory but the provincial government did not appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada so the ruling only applies in Ontario.
Happy about this. A scant few hours ago I had an over the fence conversation with my neighbor and neither of us were wearing shirts. It’s the ideal way to live.
It’s also legal in British Columbia, Canada and it has been since 2000
Free the boobies
Legal in Ohio as well for women to go topless. I’m not sure if there are any age restrictions or anything.
AFAIK anyone can go fully nude in most public spaces in Germany. It’s actually kind of weirder to not allow it and carve out arbitrary exceptions if you think about it.
I think its decriminalized, not legal. That way the cops can just arrest people they want to discriminate against and let the white Christians violate the laws.
In some German cities public pools it’s allowed, too. Source in German: https://www.hessenschau.de/panorama/frankfurt-erlaubt-oben-ohne-schwimmen–v4,frankfurt-schwimmbaeder-100.html
In America, here in France is a right nationwide ✊
I assume it’s because France is a sane country.
